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CONLANG  October 2000, Week 4

CONLANG October 2000, Week 4

Subject:

Re: IPA griefs

From:

Marcus Smith <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:49:20 -0700

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H. S. Teoh wrote:

>1) _C_ is the ch sound in English "chance" -- is that /tS/ or something
>   like that?

In IPA that would be tS with a superscript h.

>2) _c_ is the non-aspirate version of _C_. I don't even know if IPA has a
>   different representation for this sound; but my conlang definitely makes
>   a clear distinction here.

This would just be tS without the superscript h.

>3) _j_ is the voiced version of _c_, and is like the English "soft g"
>   (such as in "germaine"). Unlike the English 'j', this sound is more
>   palatal than alveolar (and definitely not dental). What could the IPA
>   symbol be?

I wouldn't say the sound was very alveolar in English, at least not in my
variety. Anyways, the symbol would be dZ (that's /d/ plus the thing that
looks like a 3).

>4) _jh_ is the fricatized version of _j_. I don't know offhand of
>   any natlangs I know that has this sound, so I can't give an example.

The fricative version of English j?  You mean the sound in _genre_ and
_measure_? If so, that would be Z (the thing that looks like a 3).

>5) _ch_ is like the English "sh"... and is basically the fricatized
>   version of _c_, or the unvoiced version of _jh_.

That would be /S/, I think.

>Somehow, my ears tell me that these consonants belong to the same type
>(dental, labial, ...) but I must be misunderstanding something here...

You are absolutely correct. They are all post-alveolar or maybe even
alveo-palatal, depending on whether they sound more like English or Chinese.




===============================
Marcus Smith
AIM:  Anaakoot
"When you lose a language, it's like
dropping a bomb on a museum."
   -- Kenneth Hale
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