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CONLANG November 2000, Week 1

Subject:

Re: CONLANG Digest - 2 Nov 2000 to 3 Nov 2000 (#2000-301)

From:

Muke Tever <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:14:08 -0500

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> From:    Muke Tever <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 1 Nov 2000
>
>            Pavlus   vracir      isc   Timutheus
>            pavlu-s  vra:cir     is-c  timuthe-u:s
>            Paul.NOM brother.NOM be.3S Timothy.GEN
>            "Paul is Timothy's brother."

I don't like this order.  I'd probably have to say "vracir Timutheus isc
Pavlus" (at least till I invent a third-person pronoun...: "Pavlus vracir
Timutheus isc [3S]")

> From:    Steg Belsky <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 1 Nov 2000
>
> > I think I will be keeping <j> for /dZ/.  However, the concultural
> > explanation will be that they couldn't find a good Romanization of
> > /dZ/ either and borrowed the old alphabet's /dZ/ letter (which,
> > descended from a kind of zayin, looks already quite like a j...)
> > I already have a habit of not dotting the i's and j's when writing
> > Atlantic, so it's all right.
>
> I have a habit of not dotting my {i}s and {j}s whenever i'm writing in
> the Latin alphabet, no matter what language i'm writing in.

My dots tend to incorporate into following letters:
http://ns.southern.edu/~alrivera//ligato.gif

> From:    jesse stephen bangs <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [i:]=[ij]? (was Re: Pronouncing "Boreanesia")
>
> BUT, I don't think that /N/ is a phoneme.  I've tried to convince my
> linguistics teacher that every instance of [N] in my idiolect can be
> explained by the rules:
>
> /n/ > [N] / __{k/g}
> /g/ > 0 / N__#
>
> where # indicates a morpheme boundary.  Thus, "sing" is underlying
> /sing/; "ringer" is ['riNr=] because of the morpheme boundary
> /ring#+er/; "finger" is [fiNgr=] because it's a single morpheme.  Does any
> one (read: Dirk) care to disagree?

long, strong, wrong, and (obs.) mong
--> stronger /stSrANgr=/  "more strong"
--> wronger /rANr=/ "more wrong, one who wrongs"
--> longer /lANgr=/ "more long"
--> longer /lANr=/ "one who longs"
--> monger /mVNgr=/ "one who trafficks"

> From:    jesse stephen bangs <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: FW: ShoeBox 5
>
> The Gray Wizard sikayal:
>
> > FYI,
> >
> > My!  From freeware to $45 +s&h!
> >
> > David
>
> A while ago someone posted a url where Shoebox was still available for
> free (perhaps illegally).  Can that person post the address again?

According to CONLANG archive it's sh401.exe
in ftp://rhiann.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/ling/tools/
v4 didn't stop being freeware, did it?  I know v5 did...

> From:    Robert Hailman <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 1 Nov 2000
>
> > > From:    Robert Hailman <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 31 Oct 2000 to 1 Nov 2000 (#2000-299)
> > >
> > > Ooh, I like this system. I like putting accents on consonants. :o)
> >
> > Yup.  I had to go through several systems to find actual accented
consonants
> > available in common fonts (all those letters are in Times New Roman,
Arial,
> > etc)--I have Unicode fonts on my computer, but not everybody has...
>
> Do Times & Arial have z<dot>? I can't say I've noticed that.

z<dot> is in in the Latin Extended-A block of Unicode, which is one of the
blocks that the standard Windows fonts implement.  (Is it called 'WGL-4'
that Microsoft uses, or is that something else?)  Anyway, it's not in the
windows *character set* so you can't just type it anywhere.

If you have a Word you should be able to reach it by Insert | Symbol.
Capital and lowercase z-dot in HTML: &#379; &#380;
http://ns.southern.edu/~alrivera//extchar.gif

> > I had carons for them before.  But the shape just seemed so complex
compared
> > to the dot and the acute.
>
> They are complex, I can't deny. I used them in the original draft of
> Ajuk, but my handwriting turned them into breves and then to macrons -

Now, an s and a z with a _macron_ would be something!

> but then again, I write lower-case "f"s as something vaugely resembling
> upside-down checkmarks.

Heh.  My s's and g's are pretty much identical.

> > I think I will be keeping <j> for /dZ/.  However, the concultural
> > explanation will be that they couldn't find a good Romanization of /dZ/
> > either and borrowed the old alphabet's /dZ/ letter (which, descended
from a
> > kind of zayin, looks already quite like a j...)  I already have a habit
of
> > not dotting the i's and j's when writing Atlantic, so it's all right.
>
> I kand use <j> for /dZ/, I already use it for /j/, as inspired by Polish
> & German.

Could use j-caron, or somesuch (as I have seen in some guides on English
pronunciation)...

> From:    DOUGLAS KOLLER <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Languages
>
> > Besides, saying that there's a grammatical rule of "drop final
> > consonant" is just so much more interesting!
>
> This is an interesting argument which I've never heard before, but it
raises
> as many questions as it purports to explain away.

I read it in a book somewhere just as an example of how the rules of spoken
language can be different from the rules of written language.

    *Muke!

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