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CONLANG  February 2001, Week 2

CONLANG February 2001, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Language universal?

From:

Raymond Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:10:02 +0000

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At 2:53 pm -0500 8/2/01, Yoon Ha Lee wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, John Cowan wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Yoon Ha Lee wrote:
>>
>> > Er...except things like "puer" and "ager"?
>>
>> The vocative of "ager"?  ROTFL!
>>
>> "O field!"
>
><wry g>  Well, I did read this essay by Winston Churchill in which he
>recounts being made to give the paradigm for "table" (tabula?)

me:nsa

>by some
>headmaster (?) and objected to the vocative, upon which he got lectured
>or whacked, I forget which.

I don't recall either what punishment was meeted out.  The young Winston is
reputed to have said something like: "I am not in the habit of addressing a
table".

_mensa_ was the stock example of a first declension noun given in most
(all) Latin texts books of the 19th & first half the 20th cent.  I remember
chanting the noun, in chorus with the rest of the class, vocative and all!

>> That reminds me of the grammarians (mentioned in _The Name of the Rose_)
>> who were said to have debated for seven days and seven nights nonstop
>> on the vocative of "ego" (I) and then finally resorted to swords....

But the habit of speaking to (and even arguing with) onself is surely not a
recent phenomenon of the 20th & 21st centuries?  The grammarians noted
above were wasting their time & energy - obviously didn't have enough to do.

Those Romans who doubtless argued with their own egos would assuredly have
told you that the vocative is: _ego_ (both vowels being short  :)

Ray.

=========================================
A mind which thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language.
                   [J.G. Hamann 1760]
=========================================

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