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CONLANG  March 2001, Week 4

CONLANG March 2001, Week 4

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Re: derivations in Aelya (long)

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Aidan Grey <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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Hi folks,

   sorry to be asking you all these questions, but I
made a huge amount of headway tonight, as far as
grammar goes (vocab isn't that hard, but I kept
changing grammar every week.) So, while I describe
where Aelya nouns are at, I have a relevant derivation
question for you.

  There are 5 cases in Aelya, named, for the moment,
active, passive, neutral, dynamic, and static.

 Active = nominative
 Passive = accusative + instrumental
 Neutral = dative
 Dynamic = oblique cases of motion (allative et al.)
 Static = locative

 These equivalencies are general at the moment - I
haven't had a chance to explore the details.

 There are three numbers, sg and pl, of course. Also a
paucal, which also indicates natural pairs, i.e.
paucal of lhas 'ear' is lhau, meaning a pair of ears.
Paucal of tour 'well' is touru, meaning 'some, a
couple of wells'.

 case markers:
   active: none / -u/w / -a/r/ra
   passive: -a / -o / -(ar)ra
   neutral: -an / -on / -(an)na
   dynamic: -as (all numbers the same)

  The problem, as you can see, is that I'm having
difficulty figuring out the static ending. Here's how
it works:

  Static should result in -e (I know that's the right
ending) but I can't figure out how it would have
developed and remained. Loss of final vowels is
common, and I'm trying to avoid conflict with the
passive case in the personal pronouns.

 1sg Pass: NI+3A > niia > nija > nij > ni
 2nd Pass: KÁ3A > kája > chája > chaeja > chaej > chai

 and so on.

 Full declension of 1sg (act, pass, neu, dyn)
      ne , ni , nenn , ness

 So how can I derive something that will provide me
with -e on most nouns, but that won't clash with all
the rest of my personal pronoun declensions? Or should
I just let them clash? Would the clash be likely to
cause a totally new form to arise, leaving the -e
everywhere else, but a totally new form in the
personal poronouns? Still, how would the -e begin for
common nouns?

  Here are some roots and derivations to give you a
bsic sense of what goes on:

  TAWARA 'forest' > tawra > taura > taur, -tor
  TOBARA 'well' > towara > towra > toura > tour
  ADNO 'gate' > anno > ann
  ROKKA 'horse' > rocha > roch
  ROKKAA 'horses' > rochaa > rocha
  ABAN 'river' > awan > aw@n > awyn
  ABANA 'rivers' > awana > awna > auna

  Some of these should look familiar ;) and the others
come from Irish, which is/will be displacing some of
Tolkien's roots, and filling out the rest. Note that
'ou' in tour is /o:/.

  Also, a final unrelated note: I still consider Aelya
to be a Q-Celticonlang. KW regularly becomes K, with
rounding of previous vowel. But there are some P's
hanging out, not falling together with B as in
*here's* Irish. A lot more P's than you'd expect in a
Q celtic lang, and a lot more spirants as well
(ch=/x/, th=/T/ not /h/). It also lost the
slender/broad distinction, for the most part. And some
of the wonderful umlauts of Welsh show up. I guess I
consider Aelya to be Quenya spoken by a Welshman in an
Irish accent with Sindarin grammar.

  Hope this has been interesting, and that anyone will
have an idea about how to handle my declension issue.

  Aidan



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