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CONLANG  April 2001, Week 2

CONLANG April 2001, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Value of Latin _x_

From:

Raymond Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:01:51 +0000

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At 5:42 pm -0400 11/4/01, Muke Tever wrote:
>>According to the Greek numeral system, which uses all of the original
>letters,
>>including digamma and qoppa, there was another letter called "sampi" at the
>>end of the alphabet. This symbol looks like an arc with two feet coming out
>>the bottom. As far as I can tell, it was originally used for either /st/, or
>>some other sibilant absent in Greek, like /S/ or emphatic /s/. Does anyone
>>know what semitic letter it comes from (tau is always the last in Hebrew and
>>Phoenician), or what value it originally made, or why it was included at all?
>
>The "sampi" is, as far as I gather, an orthographic variant of yet another
>dead Greek letter called "san".  The "san" looks like the letter M, although I
>think it's technically described as sigma standing sideways.

_san_ was indeed thus written.  But _san_ kept its proper place in the
alphabet as long as it was used.

But this is not _sampi_ whose proper name we do not know.  _sampi_ is a
later name and, like digamma, refers to the shape & not the sound of the
letter; it is detived from "ho:s an pi" 'like a pi'.

It is, in fact, another 'extra' letter found in some of the eastern Greek
alphabets in Asia Minor, and originally written something like:

_____
| | |
  |

It probably denoted some sound such as /ts/ or /tS/ which became /ss/ or
/tt/ in most dialects.  In ancient Athens the sound was /tt/ so they never
borrowed that letter and it didn't pass into the Koine either, which used
/ss/.

Whatever the origin of the letter, it was not Semitic; they Greeks in asia
Minor were in contact with many literate cultures.

Ray.

PS - hope there's not too any typos - I'm feeling pretty tired & suspect
quite a few of the pesky bugs have crept in.

=========================================
A mind which thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language.
                   [J.G. Hamann 1760]
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