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CONLANG  May 2001, Week 5

CONLANG May 2001, Week 5

Subject:

Re: rtemmu (was: asking for the bathroom)

From:

Tom Pullman <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Thu, 31 May 2001 17:19:00 -0700

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Whoa! That certainly makes your head work a bit differently. When do you think the speaker's thought processes might be described as going at any speed other than normal?

--- "Dan Sulani" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>    Well, basically, rtemmu views the world
>as a  complex, developing process. Sentences are formed
>by focussing one's attention upon various "sub-processes"
>within the whole and linking them to form a "picture" of
>reality based upon  what one has paid attention to.
>    Thus the basic rtemmu sentence consists of a sequence
>of words that stand for processes, connected by words or
>affixes that add grammatical information.
>     In rtemmu, each "content-word" (standing for a process) is
>preceded by an initial particle containing the following information:
>
>    1. who knows or can know about the process
>        (just the speaker, some people, everybody)
>    2. knowing or not knowing
>    3. info on tense
>    4. nearness or remoteness in time
>    5. repetition or habitual occurance
>
>The above is manditory only for the first content-word. After that, if the
>info has not changed or emphasis is not desired, these may be
>dropped until the end of the sentence. (And numbers 4 and 5 are
>only expressed if there is a need for them.)
>
>    Since processes, by definition, change,  exactly how each
>process changes would seem to be an important  thing to know.
>    So next, in the initial particle, comes info about the rate of change.
>First, the rate of change of the speaker (or of some people or of
>everybody). This is also obligatory only on the first use in a sentence
>if it hasn't changed during the sentence or emphasis is not desired.
>    Finally, the initial particle contains info about the rate of change
>of the process under discussion. This is (usually) obligatory and may not
>be dropped.
>    The possible rates of change, in rtemmu, are:
>
>    1. change that is objectively observed:
>
>        zuv = too slow to be observed
>        vuzduz = extremely slow
>        vuz = slow
>        kehs = "normal human"  rate of change
>        fis = fast
>        fistis = extremely fast
>        sif = too fast to observe
>
>    2. change that is subjective ( = thoughts or memories):
>
>        nu = too slow to notice any change
>        no = slow
>        na = "normal human" rate of change
>        ne = fast
>        ni = too fast to follow
>
>(Note that, subjectively, there are no distinctions between
>slow / extremely-slow  and fast / extremely-fast. I'm not sure
>that one usually makes such fine distinctions subjectively.)
>
>    3. change, where the rate is unknown, either objective
>         or subjective:
>
>        wuh = unknown rate of change
>
>    There are also markers for processes that have different
>    aspects which are changing at different rates:
>
>        pker = objective
>        ner = subjective
>
>    There are also markers for accelerated rates of change:
>
>    ut-  (prefixed to the rate of change marker) = accelerated change,
>            either objective or subjective
>    it-   (prefixed to the rate of change marker) = decelerated change,
>            either objective or subjective
>
>
>    <big breath!>
>
>    Thus, the alternatives take into account, for each process in the
>sentence, (aside from the optional info) the speaker's (or other's)
>rate of change, the process's rate of change, objective or subjective
>in each case, and what the rate (unified or differentiated) is and if is
>accelerated, decelerated, or at all knowable.) And, of course, all this
>(including the speaker/knower's state) can change from word to word
>within the sentence!
>
>    One more note: rtemmu doesn't have verbs or nouns as such.
>For purposes of translations, it would be possible, though,
>to view processes that change
>very slowly as nouns (how slow is slow enough?) and processes
>showing appreciable rates of change (again, how much is enough?)
>as verbs.
>
>
>>>    In rtemmu, I would say:
>>>
>>>usinano dyuxoo`gfairduru, weris?
>
>
>And BTW, there should probably be a rate marker for the
>"si" (= some people who know or can know) thus:
>
>usinanano  (dyuxoo`gfairduru, weris?) instead of  "usinano"
>
>
>    This was what I decided, at the time, in answer to Sally's question.
>But by playing around with the rate of change markers, (in this case,
>the rates of change of the speaker, the others who might know, and
>the "dyuxoo`gfairduru", all sorts of subtle
>(and I daresay, interesting) variations might
>be produced!
>    For example, putting "fis" before "dyuxoo`gfairduru"
>would not (to me at any rate) indicate asking where the place is,
>but stating that I damnwell know where it is and can  even observe it,
>but, Hey!, it's a _moving target_  and I need help "zeroing in" on it!  ;-D
>(The implication is of a _real_ moving target! A drunk who merely
>perceives it as moving might use "fis", and would  probably
>have his/her speech corrected to "ne" or "zuv" by those listening,
>depending upon what message they wished to convey.)
>
>>>
>>>u = the speaker doesn't know
>>>si = some people do know
>>>na = the speaker's thoughts are changing at a
>>>         "normal" rate
>>
>
>>
>>>no = the "dyuxoo`gfairduru" , as a concept, is changing slowly
>>>
>>>dyuxo = place
>>>o`g = connecting particle
>>>fai = away from me
>>>rduru = bodily waste
>>>
>>>we- = question
>>>-ris = location
>>>
>>>Thus, "bathroom" would come out roughly as
>>>"the place for ridding myself of bodily waste".
>>>
>>>(Ridding the outside of the body and the
>>>immediate vicinity after it's out. How the waste got out,
>>>is not part of this idiom.)
>
>
>Dan Sulani
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>likehsna rtem zuv tikuhnuh auag inuvuz vaka'a.
>
>A word is an awesome thing.

==

   Tom Pullman

"Dochuala as borb nad lgha."

Sgi l yrregoon lo! Jkeri yrrego!

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