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CONLANG  May 2001, Week 5

CONLANG May 2001, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Ce[i]n

From:

Aidan Grey <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 29 May 2001 12:13:56 -0700

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 Let me start by saying that this is one of my top 5
faveorite langs, already. Probably because it's very
similar to Aelya (or what Aelya will be when I get off
my ass and do something with it). I'm intending for
Aelya to be a Quee language (quee = both q- and
p-celtic) with a heavy influx of terms from Quenya and
Sindarin, particularly to remove latinate terminology
in Irish.


--- daniel andreasson <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> > se < Q -sse locative? [Ah, Q cases become
> prepositions???
> > o < Q -o genitive!]
>
> Yes! :) I don't know if that's very realistic, but
> it seemed
> easier than trying to come up with a noun or verb
> that I had
> to wear down and grammaticalize.

  Looks fairly realistic to me - very creole-ish,
where words of one language serve as grammatical
features of another, and vice versa. Of course, I'm
biased, I've done the same thing in Aelya (sa=in, at <
Q -sse and Irish sna).

> > isce < Q hiise? < KHIS-? [There seems to be more
> than Welsh
> > mutation here.]
>
> Well, I had big problems with _hiisie_. [h] -> 0,
> leaving _iisie_.
> Then the vowels shortens -> _isie_. Then the vowels
> are supposed
> to drop, but I didn't really know what to do with
> [ie]. So I
> thought, why not let s+i -> [S]? But then I kept the
> final [e].

   One of my early solutions to this problem was to
have final vowel weakening instead of loss. This was,
long vowels and diphthongs would only become short,
and only short vowels would drop. Frex, -i: > e, but
-i > 0. A possible development of hiisie could be:

   hiisie >
      hi:Sie   ' palatization before front vowels
      i:Sie    ' loss of h initially
      i:Se     ' weakening of final vowels, ie > e
      orthographically, isce.

> > era < Q ???
>
> _Era_ is actually from _haira_ 'remote'. ai -> e
> and [h] and final vowel drop.

   But the final vowel didn't drop. If it had, the
word would be 'er' wouldn't it. This could be
explained as analogy at work, or differentiation from
another word with which it would otherwise clash.

> > chess < Q quesse?  Is ch < q a regular change?
>
> No, {ch} is the mutated form of {c}, which I decided
> should
> occur after the definite article. I'm still not sure
> if there
> should be mutation or not after _i_ (sg) and _ir_
> (pl).

   Well, if you had a word 'icess', would it become
'igess'? I'm pretty sure that you would have some
mutation with the plural though, since r+stop creates
fricatives: ircess > irchess or ir chess.

> I'm thinking of doing something similar with Cein.
> Perhaps by
> using the Mystery Case "respective" which ends in
> _-s_ and
> thus would trigger "spirant mutation". Then the _s_
> could
> fall and leave only the mutation. I.e. the A
> argument would
> be marked by mutation only.

 Sounds good. It would be like the Welsh  for 'my'
often indicated by nasal mustation only: nhad 'my
father' < tad, or nghariad 'my love' < cariad.


> Another idea is to use the preposition _allo_ which
> could
> wear down to _llo_ and then _o_ plus spirant
> mutation or
> something.

  I like the use of the "respective"  myself. Either
way, it's sure to be excellent. I really can't say how
much I like Cein. When are you gonna have some more
stuff for us? I am excited to see what you do with
verbs, for example...

 Aidan


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