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CONLANG  July 2001, Week 1

CONLANG July 2001, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Aelya stuff - or is it Elheiren?

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daniel andreasson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:49:57 +0200

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Aidan Grey wrote:

>    First is preliminary affection (whereby it becomes
> celima, by i-affection). Then the vowels shorten /
> lower/ what have you (> celema), then a final round of
> affection before final syllables are lost

Aha. Good solution. It seems to work fine for Cein as
well.

>   Yeah, I noticed this! I had designed this whole
> thing ignoring/oblivious to the fact that I wasn't
> accounting for Quenya phonology! Duh! Au just becomes
> o, au in rare and not understood circumstances (or <
> aure, but naug < nauco). Diphthongs arise mainly from
> umlauts, which is still fairly common.

I noticed the same thing when using the GMP that many
of the sound changes simply don't apply to Quenya. So
I wrote down every possible consonant, clusters and
vowels (initial, middle and final) that applied only
to Quenya. Luckily, Q has a very strict phonotax.

> quet-). I really need to sit down and go through
> Quettaparma quenyanna, and the etymologies, and Parma
> Eldalamberon 12 - get my vocab up to par.)

I don't even have ETYM. I just have Quettaparma quenyanna.
It'll have to do.

>   A. Thealm /T&l@m/

I really like the a-affection of e causing <ea>. It took
me a while to realize why <ea> is [&]... :)  I liked it
so much that I have it in Cein too now.

>   Yes it is! I got rid of it, especially since a bunch
> of the patterns I had worked things out for don't
> exist in Quenya. It's much simpler now.
>
> Nasal+voiced stop > geminate nasal (nd > nn)
> liquid+voiced stop > liquid+fricative (lb > lv)

Yes. Exactly like in Cein.

>  That's about it. Much simpler, yes! Again, I'll have
> to send you the updated and corrected version.

I'm looking forward to it.

>   What I'd like to see and do is to find/examine
> cognates in Cein and Aelya. I would be neat to do 10
> words a week or something (it would make sure I keep
> working on vocab), and it would give us both ideas
> when we can't find a Quenya "parent".

Yes! That would be excellent! Also, it would be neat if
there were these slight drifts in meaning from Quenya and
between C. and A.

>   I'm also interested in how Cein verbs work. My
> preliminary work done so I could finish the relay
> ended up with a zillion verbs ending in -an in the
> past, which is okay except for the fact that it makes
> for a LOT of nasals.
>
>   vanda 'to vow, swaer, make an oath' pa.t. vandane >
> A. vannan. I'd also like to see how Cein handles the
> pronouns.

I got inspired by your mail and am just finished with
the Cein verbal system. I'll send it as a separate mail.

The new verbal system makes the pronominal system totally
obsolete so I have to rework it. I'll do that as soon as
I can.

>   And finally, I recently discovered that Aelya is
> sort of misnamed. Aelya is the american pronunciation
> of the actual name, Eilha, which derives from ilye
> 'all (pl)', which describes the fact that the language
> is supposed to encompass everything. All that Gael +
> -ya stuff is folk etymology. Even more technically,
> the name of the lang is Elheiren.

The ending _-ren_ is from _-rin_ I guess. The same thing
occurred to me. Cein will still be called Cein, but an
alternative name is Nolltorin ( < Noldorin).

||| daniel

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