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CONLANG  July 2001, Week 5

CONLANG July 2001, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Aelya and Cein Revisited

From:

Aidan Grey <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:55:05 -0700

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> PRONUNCIATION:
>
> [e'al n@j ni: an tSej'ni:D sen i a'dar a am: new]
> [e'al si: n@j ni: an tSej'ni:D i ada'rOd new il
> e'vIn]
> [e'al na: i ejr new ta'nom i na: e'vIn sen vel'DUr]
> [na: vel'DUr KIm vejn LIm leg]
> [n@jnT I Dir aj In nen so:]
> [na: so: an jej'Ki:D in ni: @ fa:b ni: in so:]

   I forget - does /'/ indicate stress on preceding or
following syllable?

> eal ney        ni an ceinidd sen  i   adar   a   amm
>    new
> lo  be:1SG:PRS I  at see:INF here the father and
> mother my
> 'Lo, I see here my father and mother.'

   How did you derive 'new'? Just curious.

> na         felddur llim fein,     llim leg
> be:3SG:PRS Valinor AUG  beautiful AUG  green
> 'Valinor is so beautiful, so green.'

   Ooo! I like this use of llim (from limbe/lin?).

> naenth     i   ddyr   a'i     in       sew    nen
> so
> be:3PL:PRS the man:PL and-the child:PL 3:POSS with
> he
> 'Men and children are with him.'

   I much prefer your use of 'children' to what I had.
I'm making some changes below...

> Predicative adjectives and nouns work as verbs,
> but unlike verbs they undergo soft mutation.

   Nice! Very realistic!

> COMPARISON BETWEEN CEIN AND AELYA:
>
> Being so closely related, I thought it might be
> interesting
> to compare the Cein and Aelya versions:

   Since I translated this, a couple of things have
changed. I've found a couple of the words in my vocab
list (now over 1500 entries!).

> Eal, ney ni an ceinidd sen i adar a amm new.
> Ela, nan ar chenad sin adyr as amma en.

-> Eal, nan ar chenad sin adyr as amma en.

> Eal, si ney ni an ceinidd i adarod new yl efin.
> Ela, si nan ar chenad adeinn orala eilh bhen.

-> Eal, si nan ar chenad adeinn orad eilh bh'en.

> Eal, na i eur new tanom, i na efin sen felddur.
> Ela, na emel en tamm, i ar ch'orad sa Bhelen.

-> Eal, na eur en tamm, i ar ch'orad sa Bhelen.
     emel should be eur from Q. heru.

> Na felddur llim fein, llim leg.
> Bhean an Bhelen, laog an se.

-> Lembhean Bhelen, as lellaog se.
    I like len- (from lin-) better here (Thanks
Daniel!). Note assimilation to initial consonant of
adjective.

> Naenth i ddyr a'i in sew nen so.
> Na deir a seill ess dhoro.

-> Nai deir aren ein ess dhoro.
  Nai = na + art
  aren = as + art
  ein = children (from hiin, hini)

> Na so an ieillidd in ni. A mab ni in so.
> Na so ar dholad nean. A dtold en nas.

  Na so ar ghyalad nean, a gcolad en nas.
  ghyalad =len. + call (< Q. yal, enyalie) + VN
  gcolad = soft mut. + col (bring, bear) + VN
  /na so @r Cal@d n&n @ gol@d en nas/

> Please tell me what you think.

   I like it! I've got enough vocab now that grammar
getting hammered out is not too far away, though I
wouldn't say it's shaky. All kinds of things yet to
figure out about clauses and such. And objects of
subordinate clauses! I plan on using a little Irish
and a little Welsh in this regard.
   I think it's so cool to have sister langs like
this, so much so that I've got an idea, to be
explained in another post...

  aidan


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