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CONLANG  August 2001, Week 4

CONLANG August 2001, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Relay 1 Czevraqis etc.

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:49:22 -0400

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This went directly to Claudio rather than the list.  It may be of interest.

Claudio wrote:
>---->> tramepu left undone, incomplete; not done (either by omission, or
because
>---->> the work was abandoned, contrast ta rumbende incomplete but due to
be
>---->> finished);
>---->> trambepu unemployed
>
>well that reminds me to some process-aspects.
>but i dont quite understand: does tramepu refer to a
not-yet-started-working-process  or to an interrupted working-process ?

The latter, with strong implication that work will not be resumed.  There
can be a question of intention, too:  e.g. one section of a planned 12
section poem or novel, written 20 years ago, is probably tramepu 'left
undone (abandoned)' (and definitely so after the author's death); 11
chapters out of 12 is probably ta rumbende 'not (yet) finished'.  Or (as I
understand it) work on a Pharaoh's tomb was stopped when the Pharaoh died--
that's tramepu

Also tramepu:  something one ought to have done, but didn't (and won't), as
opposed to something one is supposed to do, but hasn't yet (tamende mepu,
'not yet done'

>a process which is stopped and aimed to be continued is : interrupted ->
aspect of interruption
This would be ta rumbende:  a highway or building that is stopped because
money or materials temporarily ran out.  Or, a project that is still ongoing
but simply has not yet been finished.

>a process which is stopped and not aimed to be continued is : aborted ->
aspect of abortion
tramepu, perhaps because it was impractical, impossible or found to be
unnecessary (and will not be resumed); or else simply "stopped" by
deliberate decision (but may be resumed by later decision-- e.g the
countdown to a rocket launch)

>a process which is stopped before it has been started and to be continued
is: deferred -> aspect of deferral
another word entirely.

>a process which is stopped before it has been started and not to be
continued is: cancelled -> aspect of cancellation
yet another word entirely.  One could also say ta yukar 'didn't happen,
didn't come off'.  Ta yukar could also apply to something started/attempted
but didn't work out-- a love affair, application for a loan

>and others ...
>
>"to stop" is a very ambiguos but usefull generic verb, and i used it as
neutral form, without any aspects.
>
>i was unable to find a term for the "time span before a process has
started", to name it "preparation" would be inappropriate,

"planning stage"?

>because a preparation itself is a process and not a "process-free
time-span".
>perhaps someone can give me a hint to find the correct term?
"dreaming stage"? "gleam in the eye stage"? :-)

Interesting distinctions, perhaps requiring more logical analysis than many
nat/conlangs exhibit....

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