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AUXLANG  August 2001, Week 5

AUXLANG August 2001, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Posting about the book to auxlang

From:

Ken Caviness <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:10:59 -0400

Content-Type:

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James Chandler skribis:

> Jonathan Jones rote:
>
> >Frankly, the contrast between you and, say, Don Harlow, who actually
> >posts "uses" of the language to the list, letting it stand on its own
> >strengths
>
> ... or weaknesses, perhaps.  Personally i have never been convinced that Don
> Harlows blatant adverts for Esp on this list are entirely appropriate,
> especially as they tend to be purely promotional rather than informational.
> And they seem to be getting more frequent as time goes by, to the point
> where i am beginning to feel: i didnt sign up to this list to receive all
> these Esp texts, and if i did want them i would subscribe somewhere else for
> them.  When Harlow first joined this list, he didnt post such materials,
> probably because Bruce Gilson would have come down on him like a ton of
> bricks and put a stop to it, or else used them to ridicule Don and his
> language.  I am beginning to feel that Dons activities are sailing close to
> the wind in the sense of violating the spirit, if not the letter of the
> rules of this list.  I think Don ought to consider posting URLs to texts
> that we might find interesting (or not, as the case may be), rather than
> entire unsolicited tracts in Esp.  That would be a better, less intrusive
> way of advertizing Esp on this list.

James, I seem to remember that you also posted information about an Ido
conference a couple years ago.  I would be surprised if you don't tell us
about the next book in Ido to be published.  Perhaps the reason that Don's
informational postings (he also posts other types as well) rub you the wrong
way is that they are a reminder that there is a lot more activity going on in
Esperanto than in Ido.  Are you very certain that your message doesn't boil
down to "sour grapes"?  It certainly came across that way for me.

I view Don's informational postings as a great service to the auxlang forum.
Visitors here will undoubtedly read a message claiming that language X is "far
superior to Esperanto" (or words to that effect).  They should also be aware
of the main reasons that people like me use Esperanto, viz., it is already the
most used planlingvo:  we can get some good use from it now, and (some of us)
have hopes for its more widespread use in the future.

For those who have already determined to ignore this factor in favor of
Esperanto, I recommend a judicious use of email filters and/or quick recourse
to the <Delete> key.  It's not difficult.

You allude to the good old days when Bruce Gilson frequented auxlang.  I might
mention for the benefit of newcomers that BG not only came down on anyone who
disagreed with him "like a ton of bricks", but some of his arguments struck me
as so flawed that I ended up showcasing them, together with rebuttals from
various people, in my site
<http://www.southern.edu/~caviness/Eo_unue/Eo_unue.html>, specifically in the
subsidiary links <http://www.southern.edu/~caviness/Eo_unue/auxlang.html> and
<http://www.southern.edu/~caviness/Eo_unue/diskuto.html>.  There are a few
quotes from James Chandler's messages of that era also, but although I
disagree with some of James' assumptions and conclusions, I've always found
his logic sound.  This was at times not true of Bruce Gilson.

> Bobs posts _in_ Occ tend to be different because they are used in debates on
> the history of the language between Bob and the Ia-ists.  Even Bob does not
> subject us to large quantities of unsolicited literature in Occ, which we
> may or may not be happy to receive.

Bob Petry also posts diatribes, scores of unsupported outrageous claims,
poorly reasoned arguments, kaj tiel plu.  I don't find such interesting or
useful, even with the attraction of practicing my elementary level
Occidental.  Thankfully there are other sources for me to get such practice.

My apologies for the in places rather personal post, but I felt this needed to
be put in context.

G`is la reskribo,

Ken

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