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AUXLANG August 2001, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Euroclones

From:

michael farris <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:37:14 +0200

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Raghav Krishnapriyan wrote:

> >From: "Rex F. May" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Euroclones
> >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:57:11 -0600
> >
> >Speaking of Euroclones, what does everybody think
> >some indispensable criteria are for them?  I call for:
> >
> >1.  Regular spelling  unu litero, unu sono
>
> A language can have regular spelling without having unu litero, unu sono.
> Esperanto is the only major Euroclone that has this feature (vice, if you
> want).

Depends on who you talk to. In my interlinguistics course, the teacher (member
of the Eo Academy) _insisted_ that -au- -eu- and -ou- (as in ambau, Europo and
poupo) are all single phonemes as was -dz- (only really used in a single root,
I believe) I think you could make a better case for -nj- as in panjo. Eo only
marginally fits the one sound one letter ideal (which is no ideal IMHO) a
consistent diagraph is just as good as a single letter. I do like the idea of
harmony between the written and spoken forms.

> >2.  Isolating grammar
>
> I think a lot of Esperantists would argue with you, saying that Esperanto's
> agglutinative system is really very useful... and many times, it is.

Eo has _very_ littel 'agglutination' (at least in the way most linguists use
the word). A lot of what passes for agglutination (which linguists tend to
reserve for flectional categories) is just compounding. Separating the plural
and accusative endings _is_ an example of agglutination, but the verb endings
don't separately distinguish tense and mood, so they're really more
inflectional.

>
> >3.  The elimination of Q, replaced by C
>
> By C? Why not K?

I have no real strong opinions on this anymore, I just want consistency, if you
spell [k] 'c' before a, o and u, then please do so regardless of where the word
comes from.

>
> >4.   No diacritics
>
> Ja, I agree with you there... though with yout 'unu litero, unu sono', that
> limits you to 21 consonantal sounds. Esperanto had to have more, so it
> fulfilled criterion 1, but broke this one.

The 'ho metodo' (officially part of the 16 rules) takes care of this nicely.

>
> >5.  Openness to non-romance loan words, especially
> >from English.
>
> Who said Euroclones had to have mainly Romance words?

Interlingua clearly has a bias for Latin/Romance (if I were doing the IALA's
work, I'd look into the codifying international vocabulary _without_ the
romance languages. If a word is the same in Turkish, Russian and German, you
can be pretty sure it's 'international'. There's a lot more of that than most
people realize.

-mike farris

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