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CONLANG  September 2001, Week 3

CONLANG September 2001, Week 3

Subject:

Re: And now for something completely different.

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:12:46 -0400

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On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, David Peterson wrote:

>In a message dated 9/15/01 2:52:45 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
>
><< >     Uh...I disagree.  I don't think this sentence makes sense.  A
>species is
>> not a kind of animal.
>
>Makes sense to me, just like "A boulder is a large rock", there the "is"
>shows definition. >>
>
>    But...a species isn't a kind of animal!

Not in the strict sense, no. It's that equative thingy:

        species = kind of animal

The usage is parallel to "four plus four is eight". It's equative,
not a state or identity thing.

>There are species of plants, just as well!

Yes, obviously. Also bacteria, fungi, monera, etc. You could replace
pig by oak and animal by plant if you like... :)

>Shouldn't it be animals are a kind of species?

No, because they aren't. Animals are individual beings (life forms)
that _come in_ species.

>But that
>wouldn't even be correct...  I'm sorry, but the phrase "A species is a kind
>of animal" sounds totally non-sensical to me.  Not the grammar or anything
>like that, mind you, just the very idea, the semantics of it.  It's as if
>someone asked you, "What kinds of animals are there?", and you replied,
>"Well, there are dogs, horses, species, cats, birds..."  It just doesn't make
>sense!

Perhaps. On the other hand, the answer might be "Dogs etc are
species of animals." Same problem and same solution.

>Kind of like "A genus is a kind of animal" also doesn't make sense.

I guess we're just looking at it differently.

>[Looking up the word "species" in the Good Book (my unabridged dictionary).]
>Ah, here we go.  Definition 2: "The major subdivision of a genus or subgenus,
>regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of
>related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among
>themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species."  Now,
>it's the part about "breeding" I'd like to draw your attention to.  If
>"animals" are a "species",

Now, now! "Species is a kind of animal" does equal "animals are a
species". The first one equates species and kind; you're trying to
equate animal and species.

>then, by defition, a whale should be able to mate
>with a coyote, since both a coyote and a whale are animals.  This is how the
>sentence seems nonsensical to me.  Am I missing something?

Possibly. It makes sense to me, anyway.

Padraic.

>-David

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