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CONLANG  November 2001, Week 1

CONLANG November 2001, Week 1

Subject:

Re: places

From:

Henrik Theiling <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:32:29 +0100

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Hi!

Yoon Ha Lee <[log in to unmask]> writes:
> > Also, because of an extremely regular nature of the languages, the
> > function of the word always has to be added.  E.g. you could not use
> > `Deutschland' as a country name.  E.g. in Tyl-Sjok you have the
> > following words that cannot appear isolated in a sentence:
> [snip]
> Thus confusing people from that country even above and beyond the
> phonological mangling, na klar.  ;-)

Hehe... It was not my intent, of course, but obviously the result,
yes. :-)

> I remember it took me ages to realize why Korean for "France" is "Beulanso"

Wow!!  I like that!  :-)

Chinese for `Frankfurt' is also great here: Fa4 lan2 ke4 fu3 (with
similar tones at least).  Or `Reykjavík' is `Lei3 ke4 wei3 ke4'.
GREAT! :-))

Tyl-Sjok has no labials and no rounded vowels, so names containing
them always look most wrecked.  E.g. `Björn' -> `Telwn'.  Or so.  Or
`Tihelwn'.

Or simply use whatever sounds nice...

> Korean for "Germany" or Deutschland is "Doich'i."

Are there two different ways of saying Germany?  One by sound and one
by something else?  Because I was told to write `Dok-Il-(Guk)' onto my
post cards.

> :-p  I'm not sure where "Ilbon" for "Japan"

Most probably from the words for `sun set'.  That's how it's written
in Chinese.  Further, it vaguely matches my expectations of
pronunciation shifts in Korean if the words where taken from older
Chinese:

    Mandarin: ri4 ben2
    Korean:   il  bon

Seems reasonable, I think.  Although `ri4' -> `il' looks weird, the
shift is similar to the one made in the cipher `two': `er4' -> `i'.
Probably the `i' is retained from an older Chinese syllable as in
other dialects like Cantonese today: `two' = `yih'.  And the final `l'
may also have been retained from older Chinese, were modern Chinese
has dropped finals almost completely and (partially) replaced them by
tones.

>   or Nihon/Nippon comes from, though.

Same thing.  The characters for `sun set', I suppose.

**Henrik

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