At 11.25 p.m. 1.11.2001 -0800, you wrote:
>by the back vowels, but fortunately no language I've learned yet
>distinguishes [O] from [Q].
I don't know how you are with length distinguintions, but you wouldn't like
to come to Australia. Torn=/tO:n/, tonne=/tQn/ (gone=/gQ:n/, but there
isn't such a thing as *gawn /gO:n/