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CONLANG  November 2001, Week 3

CONLANG November 2001, Week 3

Subject:

Re: CPA - An ASCII-based phonetic alphabet

From:

Muke Tever <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:28:49 -0500

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From: "Lars Henrik Mathiesen" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date:         Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:12:45 +1100
> > From: Tristan Alexander McLeay <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Lars Henrik Mathiesen wrote:
> > > Well, IPA (and thus SAMPA) /w/ is a voiced labial-velar approximant,
> > > but I think that Tristan wants a labial-retroflex approximant, without
> > > a velar element. So [w`] seems misleading to me too.
> >
> > Hmm? I didn't want anything! Or maybe I `wanted' a voiced
> > labial-velar-retroflex approximate from what I saw, but it was Muke
> > who used the [w`] in the first place!
>
> Right, sorry for the misattribution. But the point stands, I think ---
> IPA [w] isn't just a labial approximant, so it isn't the right symbol
> to start from when transcribing a labial-retroflex one.

But I do get an idea that the sound is also velarized, hence [w] feels righter.
(However, I may be misinterpreting the retroflexion as velarization?)

> I'm not sure if the US English sound in question is labiodental or
> bilabial, but I'm guessing the former.

No, it's certainly bilabial (and rounded).

I recorded a bit, for those who haven't any idea what I'm talking about; not
that I think these weird details are particularly noticeable, but just because I
feel like sharing the sound of my voice... rofl

= Muke says "There is red hair in the drain".  (50K wav)
= http://personal.southern.edu/~alrivera/hair.wav

The /r/ at the end of the syllable (in "there" and "hair") is not the same as
the /r/ in question, which is only in onsets(in "red" and "drain".)

    *Muke!

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