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AUXLANG December 2001, Week 1

Subject:

Re: IAL Hierarchy

From:

Leo Moser <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:09:53 -0800

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>From: Antony Alexander <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: IAL Hierarchy
>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:23:14 -0500
>
>Leo Moser wrote, 4 Dec 2001, 17:29 GMT:
>
> >IMO, it is not so important how much phonetic
> >diversity can be packed into a IAL syllable. More
> >important is assuring that IAL words (one or more
> >syllables) can be distinguished by speakers from
> >diverse linguistic cultures. Since most such
> >cultures do not use phonemic tone, such use is,
> >IMO, not the way to go.

>For an initial IAL I would have to agree, as would most auxlangers. I
>should probably have made it clearer that I always comment from the
>perspective of my belief in an IAL hierarchy, which seems (to me) to be the
>only alternative to a median position in grammar, phonology etc.. The
>problem with a median position, as I see it, is that it discriminates
>against the considerable number of people/s who live at the extemities. For
>instance, Esperanto grammar is fairly straightforward for a number of
>linguistic groups because it is pitched at about their level, but it is
>very difficult for those - Asians, creoles and others - who have a far
>simpler grammar ... <clip>

Are your assuming that Asian languages are
somehow simple and/or primitive and/or
dumbed-down? This statement seems to imply
as much. I doubt that you really believe this,
though I have come across IAL enthusiasts of
the Euroclone type who seem to believe such
nonsense.

Japanese, Korean, Javanese, Tamil, Sanskrit,
Tibetan, are not languages with simple grammar;
They may well be more complex than (say) Russian
Greek, or Latin. As for Bengali, Mandarin,
Persian, Hindi, Indonesian, Vietnamese -- they
may be a bit simpler in certain grammatical
senses, but not IMO any simpler than the average
Romance language in Europe.

What Asian language HAS "a far simpler grammar"?
The Neo-Melanesian of Papua New Guinea? Maybe
"bazaar Malay?"

The phrase "pitched at about their level"
also worries me. It seems to imply that Eo.
was pitched at a higher level than the "lowly
Asians" could easily grasp. I doubt that you
meant this, but it leaves me wondering.

Also worrisome is the phrase about peoples
who live "at the extremities." The "extemities"
of what? Europe? If a person lives in Beijing
or Buenos Aires, that is the center of his/her
world.

Regards,                      LEO

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