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CONLANG  January 2002, Week 4

CONLANG January 2002, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Vowels?

From:

Stephen Mulraney <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 25 Jan 2002 04:03:32 +0000

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:14:30 +1100
Tristan Alexander McLeay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Stephen Mulraney wrote:
>
> > Urm... is that unusual ? ;) I do it too, but I'm not sure if my dialect
> > (Dublin) usually does it (I think I made up my own accent when I was a kid).

> I've never known anyone to distinguing wr- from r-. Apparently, they do,
> though...


> > What about distinguishing "wh-" from "w-"? Is that common? (I do it.)

> It's common, yes, but I think merging is more common. At least to me,
> pronouncing wh- as /hw/ (or anything other than /w/) sounds posh.


> > On that subject, is Australian English arhotic?
> > If so, do you round you lips on the 'r' of 'right' and/or on the 'r' of
> > 'fork' ?

> Australian English in non-rhotic. As non-rhotic as Ah Pea (RP). Except, of
> cauce, it adds /r/s ahfter -/@/ when they're* before anotha vowel (that
> is, there's an R in 'data always').

>So no, I don't round the R in 'fork' because there simply isn't one there to round.

Well, that wasn't what I meant, but I think my question was silly anyway:
Someone mentioned rounding of [r]s; If you pronounce [r]s as vowels
(or modifications to the preceeding vowel: /AftE:/ not /AftEr/), does it
change the rounding of the vowel? I suppose not.


> Rounded:     right, write, data always
> Less rouded: data is

Ah curious; Interesting to hear such data since my mouth, although
it can roughly fake Ah Pea, wouldn't know about such levels of rounding.


> *'they're': The only ways to spell that sound (/E:/) involve Rs.

i.e you pronounce <they're> as /T(ai)E:/...

Funny, when I was a kid, I recall having someone tell me to pronounce
things "properly" ;) - specifically to pronounce final [t]s.
Say for example the word "that": I would hear things like "don't
say /da/, say /dat/": The local accent *doesn't have* /T/ as or /D/ ;)
Hence "this, that, these, those" is /dis/ /da/ (no glo''al stops either)
/de:z/ /do:iz/. Also, dem vowilz get so stretched out da dey sometimes
make extralong diphthongs /de:iz/ /do:wiz/ (these, those). These sounds
/T/ & /D/ are rather alien to the gobs of many Dubliners (certainly in
my area) - I had to consciously introduce them at some stage.
[Also, if distinguishing [w]  & [wh] sounds posh to you - how do you think
RP sounds to me growing up around such allophones? ;)]


> > Explain yourself!!

> Have I?

Most graciously.


> Tristan

Stephen

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