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CONLANG  March 2002, Week 3

CONLANG March 2002, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Another question about language naming

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:17:51 -0500

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Padraic Brown wrote:

>Am 15.03.02, Herman Miller yscrifef:
>
>> So I'm thinking that Gjarrda in English should just be called Jarda, and
>> pronounced in the obvious manner as ['dZAr\d@] (instead of ['J\arda]).
It's
>> not clear what the name for Tirylhat should be, but ['tI48Kat] isn't an
>> option in English! I might settle for Tirethlat, or not bother trying to
>> represent the lateral fricative and just use the original name Tirelat.
>
>I would probably settle for the latter: Tirelat. No foreign
>sounds; no unusual spellings. Same for Jarda.

Jarda-- OK.  Personally I'd go with Tirelhat, if only to indicate that it
has a non-Engl. (albeit unspecified or difficult) pronunciation).

>> The question is how far to go in Anglicizing conlang names. I used to be
in
>> the habit of spelling the long [i] sound as "ee" in English
representation
>> of words like "Zireen" and "Neesklaaz".
>
>It's workable. We used to spell Hindoo et al that way.

Operative words _used to_.  And because Hindoo words used to be written as
if they were English, nowadays when they are more accurately transcribed, we
don't know whether those <<oo>>'s are supposed to be [u] or [o:] or
whatever........

>
>> After switching to "i" for a while,
>> I compromised, and now typically use "ie" for this sound. On the other
>> hand, a word like "Zirien" risks being mispronounced as a three-syllable
>> "zi-ri-en". So does it make sense to go so far as "Zireen" to avoid the
>> chance of misinterpretation? Or would conlangers, who tend to be more
>> familiar with languages than the average English speaker, assume this is
>> meant to be pronounced [zire:n]?
>
>I would assume /zIRiEn/ for the former and /zIRin/ for the
>latter. The double letter spellings look oh so English. :)

Agree on Zirien;  "Zireen" could be [zIri:n] or [zire:n] or even [zajri:n]
depending on whim.  It strikes me that the <ee> will be quite confusing to
_this_ group, many/most of whom are familiar with the idea of phonemics, and
have managed to make the disconnect between the writing and pronunciation of
English or English-ified words.

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