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CONLANG  March 2002, Week 3

CONLANG March 2002, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Rubaga Phones

From:

Jeff Jones <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:49:13 -0500

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OK, final version???

On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:44:59 +0100, Christophe Grandsire
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>En réponse à Jeff Jones <[log in to unmask]>:
>
  Consonants (approximate in some cases):
                  |  stop   fricative nasal  trill  later. aprx.
                  | VL  Vd   VL   Vd    Vd  VL   Vd    Vd    Vd
  ----------------+---------------------------------------------
  bilabial        | p   b    p\_w       m
  labiodental     |          f    v
  labiodent.+pal. |          f_j  v_j
  apicodental     | t   d    T    D     n               l
  apicodent.+lab. |          T_w  D_w
  alveolar        |          s    z             (r)
  retroflex       |                              r'
  palatoalveolar  |          S    Z
  palatovelar  or
  palatal         | c   J\   C    j\    J              (L)    j
  velar           | k   g    x    G     N
  labiovelar      | k_w g_w  x_w  G_w   N_w          (L\_w)   w
  uvular          |          (X)  (R)       R\_0 R\
  glottal         |          h
  labioglottal    |         (h_w)

>> Well, the tongue is lowered somewhat in my own pronunciation of /w/, but
>> it could be labiovelar, if that's more frequent.
>
>I've checked, and I found out that you can symbolise a purely bilabial
>voiced approximant as B_o. So if you want it to be purely bilabial, go
>ahead :)) .
>Note just that it's quite rare as a sound.

[w] is close enough. B_o looks like a smiley for smells bad.
One of these days I have to invent an alternate history where the IPA is
done *my* way.

>> Are you sure? Isn't the Irish /r/ usually a retroflex trill?
>
>I don't know Irish, so I cannot tell, but the only thing I told was that
>it wasn't present in IPA. Still, the place is not grayed out in my tables,
>so it's possible to pronounce. I just cannot find out how to write it
>down, either in IPA or X-SAMPA. Maybe by using the "raised" diacritic
>(which would make it r`_r), but that may be abusing the poor diacritic :))
>.

I'll leave it at r`. After all, it's not likely that anyone here is going
to become fluent and then run off to meet some Rubage. Especially since
they're ... elsewhere.

>> I'd forgotten to include symbols for uvular fricatives, since
>> non-trilled versions can occur in dialects.
>
>They are X and R in X-SAMPA (X voiceless, R voiced).

I'll probably use these variants when using X-SAMPA.
>
  Vowels (approximate in some cases):
              |    unrounded      rounded
              | front    central     back
    ----------+---------------------------
    close     | i                       u
    close lax |   I                    U
    close mid |     e                 o
    mid       |              @
    open mid  |       E      6       O
>This is simply called open mid :)) .
    open      |             a_"
>
>> I was using relative terminology, since the vowels don't exactly
>> match. I had in mind /I/, /U/, /e/, /o/, /E/, /O/ all being slightly
>> lowered and relatively tense, but I guess I'll have to change it, if it
>> can't be notated.
>
>You can use the "lowered" diacritic: _o. But as far as tenseness goes,
>there seems to be no diacritic for it in IPA...

I'll have to remember that _o .

>> My own vowel in "but" is central.
>
>Could also be 3 then (a little higher than 6). If it's rounded, it's 3\.

That's probably it. [6] is about right for Rubaga though.

>> Why do I always get the Lon Chaney roles?
>
>Become your own director! :)) (I should add that to my sig., but it would
>make it less striking :)) )

OK -- guess I'll have to write the damn script, too!

>Christophe.
>
>http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr
>
>Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.

Starring:    Jeff J.
Directed By: Jeff J.
Written By:  Jeff J.
etc.
I just hope the union doesn't object!

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