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AUXLANG April 2002, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Solresol at Yahoo! Groups

From:

Roy McCoy <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:04:12 +0100

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Paul O. Bartlett scribin:

> There was a mailing list, Bablo, whose only real rule was that
> one was permitted to post *only* in a constructed language -- of
> one's personal choice.  However, the list has gone inactive for a
> considerable time.  Most of what few postings there were were in
> Euroclone IALs.

Chu hazarde chu ne mi ne sivan, sed alvenin che mi hodie la unua mesajo
cial mi risevin de tia listo - e mi abonin en la comenso de pasinta
desembro. Lo estin de Michael Talbot-Wilson, cia respondin en Ido al io
scribita de Cellus en, ah... mi ne sivan, sed mi tamen povan compreni lo!

> As some people have a problem understanding your revised Esperanto.
> A lot of it I cannot follow.

Se mia selo estun esti comprenata de chias o presce chias en la listo,
mi tiande farun lau Don e scribun en anglengo (la angla - I would write
in English). Mi ya volan esti comprenata, sed tio ne estan mia presipa
selo. Samciele Cellus mi volan uzi IPL (internatia planlengo) e ne nur
paroli pri lo, e tia uzado mem selan ancore io alia, la *generala* uzado
de IPL, e *tia* uzado selan ancore io alia, cio estan pazo en la mondo.
Mi tre povan esti tutfreneze naiva e stulta pri tio, sed tamen tiele estan.

> >                                  Povan ocazi problemos pri individuas
> > vortos o esprimos, sed tiande lau mi oni ne estu tro fiera por simple
> > demandi al la scribinto.
>
>     ???

Mi core dancan al tias cias defendin la legeblo de mia Esperanto-varianto,
e ech clarigin pri la spesifas diferensos inter lo e traditia Esperanto.
Mi aparte aprezan la spesifas comentos de Sebastian Hartwig pri tio, ech
con tio ce li fine nomin la varianto "ludolingvo". Nu, mi ne volan disputi
pri tio, chu lo estan o ne vere luda, sed mi povan diri almene ce lo havan
aspectos cias tute ne estan ludesas. Tio ce lo povan esti uzata por inter-
comunicado sen jenas e nolhelpas supersignos estan unu considerinda afero.
La sama ya povan esti dirata pri ia ayn surogata versio de Esperanto, sed
hia (tiu chi) estan signife nolsama en tio, ce lo *ne* estan surogata, e
do neniande nesesun transformi lo al ia alia formo de la lingvo, chu per
scriptos, macros, Perl-programos o io ayn. Lo ance estas - tute nelude -
preter ayna acuz-eblo pri sexismo, char nenia radico en lo havan sexa
caractero, sexo estante indicata excluzive per la sufixos "-un" e "-in".
Chia landnomo setere finisan per "-io", tiele ce oni neniande devun dubi
o heziti pri tio. Mi ne pludiron, char ciele Sebastian prave rimarcan,
la diferensos ne estan grandas. Mi nur diran ce los ne estan trivialas,
e ce mi generale uzan mia varianto serioze, almene ne selante ludeso.

> Granted, part of the difficulty is that I am not an Esperantist
> in the first place.  Not everyone on AUXLANG is.

Mi tre povan (e devan) simpatii tio, char mi estan sufiche sama rilate
al reformado del Esperanto, pretendante serioza intereso pri tio sed
ne ellerninte Ido, cia same elstaran inter Esperanto-reformos ciele Esperanto mem inter internatias plenlengos. Restan tamen vere, mi credan,
ce se nos volan esti conseqensas, mi devan ellerni Ido, e vi Esperanto.


Sebastian Hartwig scribin:

> -n > -s
> -s > -j
> -c- > -k-
> o > au
> e > kaj
>
> Per tio jam eblas legi preskau chion.

Tre bela resumeto, danco. La ordo estu prefere inversita, sed oni
comprenan. Mi ege shatun se la tuta reformo povun esti tiele simple
reprezentata, e se convertado el Traditia Esperanto povun esti automata.

> Krome li shanghis esperantan -au al -e.

Yes, tio estan unu el la pli oportunas aspectos de la Novo-reformado
til nun. Dum ioma tempo habin dubo e hezito pro la considero, chu ia
spesifa au-vorto estan o ne adverbo, sed fine estin rimarcate ce tia
demando facte ne multe gravan, e ce senconsidere al lo oni povan simple
cambi chia -au al -e, e ce tio tute bone functian. La prepozitio "antau"
do isan "ante" samciele la adverbo "hodiau" isan "hodie". Ya, la adverbigo
"antee" ne estan oportuna, sed tamen semblan preferinda al uzado de "antey"
por la prepozitio (cio setere detruan la simpleso de la converto -au > -e).

> Do, la sola stranga vorto estas "tiande", el kio "ti-" estas supozeble
> orginiale esperanta kaj "-and-e" lau la kutimaj interlingvoj ("tande")
> estas esperanta "-am".

La corelativa "-am", vi volan diri. Haban ance la ama am', e pro tio
oni cambin la N.E. corelativo. La baza ideo estan, ce la corelativos ne
havu apartas gramaticas finasos ol la setero de la lengo: ce "-e" ne
signifu ed adverbeso e (corelative) loco, exemple, o ce "-a" ne signifu
ed adyectiveso e tipo. La rezulto de tiesa (tia) reformo estan generale
tre bona, con lau mi nur du rimarcindas neoportunasos:

1) Estigo del celcas nedezirindas sinonimos: "and" flance de "temp" exemple, o "eb" flance de "loc", "el" flance de "manier" etp. Mi pensan
ce tia (tiu) problemeto povun esti solvita de regulo lau cia raytan existi apartas sufixas sinonimos por normalas radicos, exemple "eng" flance de
"lengo" (lingvo) etp.

2) Iome troa longeso de ias formos, exemple "neniande". Helpun pri tio se la "i" forfalun, sed mi lasan lo por reteni reconoseblo por esperantistos.


Roy McCoy

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