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Re: Need Advice on Syntax & Case System

From:

JS Bangs <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:49:30 -0700

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Christian Thalmann sikyal:

> Question:
>
> - Do you find the description of the cases and their uses
> comprehensible and/or intuitive?

Uh, no. You spend a while describing the various syntactic variants of
cases, but I couldn't find any explanation of what the difference between
Predicative and Objective was. Most of your examples are what would be
Indirect Object and Direct Object in English, or Accusative/Dative in
Greek or Latin. Was that your intent?

> - Can you think of situations where this case system would fail or
> produce problems?

Not really, although I don't really understand what semantic motivations
you're using to distinguish the two object cases. I do like the examples
where you use the different cases to show general v. specific action, but
I wonder if those might cause problems in other situations.

Other comments--

You wrote:

"If for some reason we want to highlight an explicit subject, we can
mention it first as an independent verbless statement (which I call a
topic declaration), and then follow up with an implicit verb V P O / V O P
structure:

Torav, lonna u lawne i fele.
Man:d sing:3i PRE song:i OBJ woman:d
Lit.: "The man. Sings-he a song to the woman."
The man, he sings a song to the woman.

Note that in this case, |torav| is the topic declaration, which should be
considered as a statement of its own, and not part of the sentence |Lonna
u lawne i fele.|"

This is a very natural feature, but your description of it is very odd.
Why should we consider "torav" to be part of a different sentence? It's
much simply and linguistically more accurate to say that there is a
pre-verbal focus, and that any element receiving particular emphasis can
be moved to that position. Such is a very common thing,
cross-linguistically.


Jesse S. Bangs [log in to unmask]

"If you look at a thing nine hundred and ninety-nine times, you are
perfectly safe; if you look at it the thousandth time, you are in
frightful danger of seeing it for the first time."
--G.K. Chesterton

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