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CONLANG  April 2002, Week 4

CONLANG April 2002, Week 4

Subject:

Re: A break in the evils of English (or, Sturnan is beautiful)

From:

Christophe Grandsire <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:52:28 +0200

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En réponse à JS Bangs <[log in to unmask]>:

>
> How about English:
>
> wet [wEt]
> weight [weit]
>
> fret [frEt]
> freight [freit]
>

Except that the second one is always a diphtongue. Don't compare apples and
oranges. And you're talking about a language that can have |ei| pronounced [aj]
or [i]! At least in French, |ei| is only ever pronounced [E]. If another
pronunciation is meant, another spelling is used.

> And Greek used to have |epsilon|=[E] (or something similar) and
> |epsilon-iota|=[e:] as a general rule. Neither of these are perfect
> examples, but I don't know a very large language sample, either.
>

The only thing I see is that you cannot find an example proving your point,
while I can find at least one proving mine. Even with a 1-0 score I win! ;))

>
> You've misunderstood my argument. I wholly agree that |e| by itself
> is
> most likely [e]. However, given two different graphs |e| and |ei|, I
> would always always ALWAYS assume that |ei| was higher than |e|.

And you would be strange, as others have pointed out.

  This
> is
> because |ei| includes |i|, which symbolizes a high vowel. To make |ei|
> be
> a *lower* vowel than |e| is very counterintuitive.
>

To you maybe, not to me.

>
> Of course, by "nearly everyone" you mean "Frenchies." For the rest of
> the
> world, I think you're wrong, for the reasons outlined above.
>

And I think you are wrong, because people don't use logic to guess the
pronunciation of a spelling. I don't think *anyone* would ever naturally
connect |ei| to [e]. To [ei], [ej], [Ej], [eI], [E] for those who would assume
it's French, but never to [e].

Christophe.

http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr

Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.

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