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CONLANG  June 2002, Week 1

CONLANG June 2002, Week 1

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Re: Personality type and conlangers

From:

Stephen DeGrace <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:06:13 -0400

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--- In conlang@y..., "Mike S." <mcslason@A...> wrote:
> Stephen DeGrace <stevedegrace@Y...> wrote:
[...]
> >That's consistent with my own hypothesis. I add a
> >couple extra predictions that I'm interested in
seeing
> >how they shape up:
>
> I also would have guessed that about the N/S divide,
however,
> I wanted to point out that we do have at least one
ISTJ on
> board, interestingly enough.

That _is_ interesting. But one thing I've figured out
from working with this stuff for a hobby for a number
of years is that you can't make blanket statements
about it, although I indeed did make a blanket N/S
statement at the very beginning of my involvement in
this discussion (and inserted the expectation I would
be burned :) ) - and promptly got burned :). All of my
predictions should be taken as predictions of
tendencies, statistical trends, not rules. I would be
very surprised, not to mention rather interested, if
any single rule based on type can be spotted that does
not include exceptions, especially if we wind up with
a decent-sized sample. Human motivations are too
complex to simplify this way, although if you're happy
with trends and rules of thumb, these typing schemes
are fine.

> >- I expect a a bit of a T/F divide in
> >loglanging/artlanging (however you want to define
it,
> >who gives a frig, as long as the basic idea gets
> >across <g>), with more Thinkers in loglangy things
and
> >more feelers in artlangy things (however, I would
be
> >surprised if this proved to be an iron-clad rule).
>
> Might I suggest "engelang" as the term to contrast
with artlang?
> :-)  BTW I agree with your view on the T/F divide
here.

"lablang", for sure :P <weg>

> >- I expect that you get very few _really_ extreme
> >introverts or extreme extroverts. Introverts need
> >access to the extroverted side and interest in
people
> >and their doings to go about something like this,
but
> >more than that, it's just a hunch I have. I'm on
more
> >solid ground wiuth the extroverts, conlanging is a
> >solitary activity requiring concentration for good
> >chunks of it, so an extrovert would need strong
access
> >to their introverted side.
>
> I would not rule out extreme introversion on this
list.
> Extreme introverts are known to become moderately
sociable
> strictly when discussing their deep, but often
highly
> idiosyncratic interests.  Extreme extraversion does
seem
> to me unlikely for conlangers however.

I wouldn't rule it out either, but I'm more interested
in what sort of trend might show up... I tend to be
rather introverted too, but there is something in me
that is deeply sociable and drags me out of my cave
more than I think is normal for a person as
introverted as myself. I'm always getting into
interests that involve organising things or
interacting with a lot of people, even though that
isn't exactly the easiest thing in the world for me (I
_am_ rather good at it when I get going tho - at
least, my track record is good). I seem to notice
something similar in a few folks around here, and I
wonder if some collateral effect of the conlanging bug
might in a good number of cases mitigate and disturb
the normal manifestation of introversion in a manner
that encourages the development of the extroverted
function - although with such a complex system, it is
probably pure convenient fiction to stipulate any
particular thing as a "cause" or an "effect"!

> >- I don't know what to make of J/P in all of this,
but
> >I have a feeling that J may be a
loglangy-predisposing
> >factor ("we need a language with RULES dammit!!
What
> >IS this crap our natural language tries to feed
us!?"
> ><G>) and P an artlangy predisposing factor ("oooh,
> >pretty!" <g>), so that in this prediction, Thinking
> >Judgers would be the most loglangy and Feeling
> >Perceivers the most artlangy.
>
> I am not sure about this.  I am a perceiver who is
strongly
> predisposed to loglangs.  I think the more likely
distinctions
> will be found in questions such as, how many
conlangs one has
> started but not completed?  How much does one revise
his or
> her conlang?  Does one stick with one's design
decisions, or
> is there a constant tempation to change one's mind?

We'll see :). You notice I hedged more on this one ;).
But the possibility is there, and if it shows up I
wants some credit for it b'y <weg>.

Stephen

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