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AUXLANG June 2002, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Organizations

From:

James Chandler <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:52:29 +0000

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Thanks for your reply.  In answer to your later question, I do find it
difficult to read a text this length in your language.  Could it be a bit
too skewed towards Spanish?  If you could translate the below into a
language I can read more easily, it would help me greatly.

James


>From: fasilinguo <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Organizations
>Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:06:57 +0200
>
>     salutos, pu jaimulo sandlero/
>     la tua opinasiono esale tre interesanta, mas fatamente dentro la
>tinicismo inoltre opinane ce ono debale formare una organisasiono comuna
>para las planlinguos/ pero esane plus radicas, porce opinane ce la acordo
>pro una ecumenlinguo comuna jenerala esale desirabla mas tenicamente
>fasila/
>     la problemo non esale tenica, sino politica/ la majora tendenso, la
>espicismo, cerale abertamente eliminare mas sustituare las altras
>planlinguos, cuasi desde la comenso de la espico (esperantico)/
>sinplamente,
>ono debale rememorare ce la espicismo esale eglesio para credare, inbes
>sienso para prosimare pe la risersanto ta la bero/
>     cualunca acordo sur la organisasiono, sur la discutasiono siensa,
>eseteramente, debale recunosare ce cuasi totas las esperanticistos ceraje
>nincuna acordo, sino la disaparasiono de las altras planlinguos/ mu eseme
>realistas!
>     con una anbiento seudorelijiona ono non pobale laborare ni progresare
>siensamente/
>     sel las usantos mas creantos de planlinguos cios recunosaje
>abertamente
>mas sin esesionos ce las planlinguos esaje aferos siensas mas tenicas,
>jamai
>relijionas ou politicas, esaje las posiblas comensantos de futura
>organisatoro pro riserso, difusiono mas unificasiono de las planlinguos/
>     pero, se solamente baloraje cuesas usantos, donce, ˇmu reale baloraje
>cuesas usantos! eis: cuesas usantos esistaje realamente, mas esaje las
>basos
>para cuesa organisatoro, para cuesa istrumento comuna/ la pesimismo non
>asiertale, porce esistaje moltas usantos mas creantos de planlinguos cios
>ceraje pe etos usare para comunicare mutuamente, inbes lutare con altras
>planlinguos ou usare la planlinguo como jocatoro entre parolantos cios,
>cuasi senpre, sibian pobuje parolare la inglico/
>     esenplamente, escribame menan bia la tinico porce sabame ce esome plus
>fasilamente conprenata ce escribando bia la inglico ou la castilico, dentro
>cuesta listo de imeilo/
>     como linguos ofisialas de cuesa comitato proponame la espico, la
>interlinguico, la idico mas la europantico/ la inglico, la fransico, la
>castilico, la alemanico mas altras linguos esuje linguos laboras, pero non
>ofisialas; cueso sinifale, en la pratico, ce nincuna menbro de la comitato
>tenole neseso teoria ou reala de parolare la inglico, mas ce cualunca
>menbro
>pobole pedare traducasiono de la inglico ta  una de las linguos ofisialas/
>se la inglico esule la linguo prinsipala de la comitato, sea ja
>teoriamente,
>sea sel praticamente, la comitato uilbi nascule cuasi morta, mas non
>interesule pose/ ono debale formare una comitato beramente internasiona,
>non
>sel inglosasona/
>     la acordo unanima parejale bona sistemo ta mio, jeneralamente/
>     asetame esare menbro de la comitato desde la unesma momento; la
>cantito
>comensa da menbros entre dudeso mas dudesesinco inoltre ta mio parejale
>bona/
>     fa isa alesandrulo sabiero casanobo domingo/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James Chandler" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 4:19 PM
>Subject: Organizations
>
>
>As has been obvious from the direction of some my more recent posts to this
>list, I have been thinking for the last few months about the problem of the
>fragmentation and division in the IAL movement currently, and especially
>the
>online movement.  Our online presence is very public, much more than the
>movement has ever been in the past, and the impression it gives must be one
>of discord and of a group of people who have yet to decide among themselves
>or even find any kind of common ground.
>
>I got thinking about these things a few days ago when visiting Jay Bowks's
>Auxilingua site for the first time in ages.  I was struck by his list of
>interlinguists former and current, and I was reminded of the times when the
>IAL movement has had an umbrella organization, namely the Delegation and
>the
>IALA.  Since 1951, when IALA was wound up, there has been no umbrella
>organization to bring together the various factions of the IAL movement.
>Looking at the current situation, the one thing that would really improve
>the impression we give to a newcomer to the idea is some kind of evidence
>that the representatives of the different languages, and all those more or
>less independent commentators are working together on the same problem, or
>even acknowledge each others existence.
>
>The existence of some kind of International Committee would give great
>credibility to the IAL idea, it would serve as a permanent link between the
>various language movements, allowing them to explore the common ground they
>have as well as the areas they dont agree on, open a dialog between them
>and
>allow them to find out more about each others positions.  The aim of such a
>Committee would be to explore and express the what is common to the
>positions of all the various parties.
>
>I think it is important that such an organization should reflect the
>importance of the online movement to the present and future of the IAL
>idea.
>   It should operate largely online and utilize the usual tools of the
>trade:
>a website and a mailing list.  The purpose of the mailing list would be for
>the Committee to try and formulate resolutions (joint statements, protocols
>or what not) to which ALL members can agree.  I stress the ALL, because the
>only way an organization such as this could function is through unanimous
>decisions.  There would be no majority or qualified majority voting (unlike
>in the European Union).
>
>As such the resolutions reached would be of a rather general nature,
>certainly at first, possibly always, but this would not detract from their
>usefulness.  The Committee would differ from previous organizations in one
>important way: it would not have the goal of deciding upon or formulating
>an
>IAL, and as such it would be permanent: it would exist for as long as its
>members wanted it to and it was serving a useful purpose.
>
>I also think it should reflect the current nature of the movement, with
>involvement from those who have shown a great commitment to the idea
>through
>their online activities.  I have a good idea of the sort of people I would
>want to invite to be on the Committee.  In fact, I think perhaps as many as
>half the members should be from this list, with the rest including
>representatives of language movements, past members of Auxlang, and
>independents.  It should start off with about 20-25 members, perhaps
>growing
>over time.  Decisions would be made by unanimous voting via the mailing
>list, therefore net access would probably in practice be a necessity.
>
>Of course it would be a daunting task to make such an organization work.  I
>can imagine it being difficult to even decide on the rules of operation (or
>things like What languages can we use on the mailing list?).  But I think
>it
>would be worth trying to get some kind of umbrella organization working, as
>the benefits to our cause could be enormous if it succeeded.  I would be
>grateful for peoples views on this idea.
>
>Kordiale,
>James Chandler
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