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AUXLANG June 2002, Week 2

Subject:

Re: IPA values of Eo sounds

From:

Kjell Rehnstrom <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:58:55 +0200

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Carlos Thompson wrote:

> Kjell Rehnstrom wrote:
>
> > Stephen DeGrace wrote:
> >
> > > (...)
> >
> > > Ah, too bad, but I could at least try :P. By the way,
> > > I am running a couple Yahoo polls on the lsg-ano and
> > > esperanto Yahoo lists. Very small and unscientific,
> > > but the upshot is that with these double vowels, there
> > > seems to be no consistent strategy emerging for how
> > > people deal with them, except that no one so far has
> > > said they just treat them as single vowels (I think
> > > Esperantists take seriously the link between
> > > orthography and pronounciation), there are a few
> > > people who say they treat them as long vowels, but the
> > > most popular response is the say they use a pause
> > > (like /ge esperant'istoj/) or a glottal stop
> > > /ge?esperant'istoj/. Same pattern in scii. I think the
> > > people who say they use a pause may actually use a
> > > glottal stop and not know that they're doing it.
> > > Absolutely no one says they use a glide
> > > /gejesperant'istoj/, although some may do and not
> > > recognise it, possibly.
> >
> > Anecdotal evidence again 8-) A Swedish Esperanto speaker would say
> > [gé(:)èsperan'tistoj] (I use é to denote a closed e, as I understand
> in
> > English "bed", è a more open e, but not so open as a in "back".
> >
> > As far as I remember German and Danish speakers do the same.
>
> I don't know of any Spanish Esperanto speaker but I would imagine that
> they would deal much as in careful Spanish words like "reencuentro",
> "tiito" (little uncle), "freijoo" or "Saavedra", where both vowels are
> pronounced with a little difference in quality or tone, much as Kjell's
> [gEesperantistoj].

An interesting fact is that the Spanish speakers of Esperanto that I have
met did not have any problem discrimination between b and v, e.g. beni (to
bless)  and veni (to come). This was a very difficult thing for the adult
persons that I taught Swedish to a couple of years ago.

Kjell R

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