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AUXLANG  July 2002, Week 5

AUXLANG July 2002, Week 5

Subject:

Re: The democratic rule in the cooperation between auxlangers.

From:

Jay Bowks <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:40:22 -0400

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Vamos a ver... Let's see...

Si las dos listas de Alejandro
deciden disolverse y unirse
posiblemente a auxlang-dialog
James no tendria problemas
con admitir a Alejandro en
la lista. Claro que esto significa
que Alejandro tendria todo
derecho de decir lo que
quisiera en esa lista. No estaria
bien hacer esta offerta y luego
cambiar las reglas, verdad?

Bueno que decis?

Yo por mi parte invito a
Alejandro a presentar su
opinion y posiblemente
aceptar esta invitacion de
James por hacer la paz y
al mismo tiempo unir a los
interesados bajo una lista
reformada y con la idea
de que James y Alejandro
pueden aprender a
concordar que no siempre
tendran las mismas opiniones.
Que decimos?

Con saludos,
Jay B.


From: "James Chandler" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: The democratic rule in the cooperation between auxlangers.


> Alexandre:
>
> >     As you say clearly, James Chandler acts as Ariel Sharon with
> >Palestinian
> >political structures or persons when he dislikes them. Obviously, James
> >Chandler is elected by none in the list Auxlang-Dialog, but the rest is
the
> >same.
>
> While not wishing to express a particular view on either side in the
Middle
> East conflict, I think you need to be a bit careful about the kind of
> comparisons you make between people on a public list.  Ad hominems are
> generally considered to be bad form on Auxlang, at any rate.
>
> >     James Chandler knows perfectly that the two lists "ausilinguo
dialogo"
> >and "Auslandialogo" are independent of the list "Auxlang-Dialog".
>
> Does anyone know why _two_ lists rather than one, when there is already an
> original?
>
> >     It's clear I'm unwilling on disbanding these lists. But the members
> >can
> >decide disbanding them, as the democratic rule is stronger than my
personal
> >will.
>
> If youre saying: the only way the lists will be disbanded is if all the
> members decide to remove themselves, then I dont accept that.  You founded
> them, so you have power to delete them, if you wish.
>
> >In Auxlang-Dialog, which isn't a democratic list but the James
> >Chandler's personal dictatorship, things are quite different. He doesn't
> >need consult anybody to exclude or include members, and he can unfound
the
> >(his) list at whatever time.
>
> I reserve two rights as list owner: to exclude a member whose continued
> membership is incompatible with the smooth functioning of the list; to
close
> the list if I feel it is no longer serving a purpose.  As far as I know,
> this is the way that every other mailing list on the internet works.
David
> Durand has the right to ban someone from Auxlang, and even to close the
list
> if he so chose - whether he chooses to exercise those rights is up to him.
>
> >And I can't unfound the two lists as this decission,
> >after our democratic rules, must be taken by all members.
>
> In that case, I would encourage the members of your lists to vote to
disband
> them so that I can allow you to rejoin A-D.
>
> >     Thus, curiously, the two lists are (unwillingly) rival lists of
> >"Auxlang-Dialog", as the scopes are almost the same but their democratic
> >principles definitely distinguish both from James Chandler's list.
>
> There is nothing curious about it, this is not Alice in Wonderland
(although
> I could be forgiven for thinking otherwise).  They are rival lists because
> they were deliberately established as rival lists, indeed as _copies_ of
the
> original A-D.
>
> >James Chandler shows a copyright sign on his project (see below).
>
> I believe that was put there by Jay, probably just for effect.  It has no
> meaning at present.
>
> >     Related to the pretended "rivalry", it's notorious that we, the
> >members
> >of the two lists whose unfoundation James Chandler asks, don't forbid the
> >membership of our people also into "Auxlang-Dialog", nor have black lists
> >with banned people for being the owner or a promoter, a member and so on,
> >in
> >"Auxlang-Dialog".
>
> I would advise you to have a mechanism for excluding people from your
lists.
>   It would be easy for someone to act in such a way as to make the list
> intolerable for members.  All mailing lists need to have recourse to
> excluding members.
>
> Kordiale, James Chandler
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index
> http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index
>
> "The postulation of quarks gives a structure to the proliferation of
> subatomic particles, but physicists demand a different sort of evidence in
> order to establish the physical reality of quarks." - Gilbert Harman, Two
> quibbles about analyticity and psychological reality, Behavorial and Brain
> Sciences 3
>
>
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