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CONLANG  September 2002, Week 3

CONLANG September 2002, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Thagojian and Wenetaic (was: Order of letters)

From:

Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:22:38 -0400

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From: Jan van Steenbergen <[log in to unmask]>
> > Thagojian (although it may return to its old name
> > of Wenetaic, or even get a new name along the
> > lines of /Komr\@nt1k/) has two scripts.

> Hey, that comes dangerously close to my
Wenedyk! > :))

And Venetic, and a few more besides. There are
two theories:

1) Conlangers with related names have done the
research on suitable names for an Indo-European
people.

2) The name-pattern is the result of race-memory,
or an even deeper genetic compulsion.

> Didn't you write some time ago that Thagojian
was > the result of a merger
> between Wenetaic and another language?

Thag grew out of my three main projects,
"Classic" Thagojian (which was a monstrous beasty
with very many consonants and two vowels -- words
formed from roots by various consonant
mutations); Wenetaic, which was an attempt to put
quasi-IE roots over and Elamite-like grammar,
plus some wierd directional, diectic and
case-marking infixes; Meynian, which was a kind
of vanilla IE lang, though it was Split-S, had a
massive pronoun set and ratyher too many vowels.

> Thagojian is derived straigly from IE, right?

It's a satem IE language, theoretically from the
Lower Egypt / Holy Land / Babylon kind of area,
probably a bit migratory. Most closely related to
the Indo-Iranian branch, but not closely enough
to be one of them.

Here's the gist of the sound laws:

p > p
t > t
k' > s
k > k
kw > p / _ i,e
kw > k / _ u,o
r > ur / [rounded environments] ; ir otherwise
rs > S
ls > K
e > E
ei > e
o > O
ou > o
ie > e
uo > o
eu > @
ue > we
oi > 1
io > jo

Extrapolating from there will get you pretty
close to the stage of the language about the time
writing starts. The laryngeals have complex
rules, but basically:

E > (e)h(e)
A > (a)q(a)
O > (o)q(o)

They become consonants, as well as coloring
surrounding liquids and vowels.

> You might have noticed that I am
> particularly interested in this type of
language > (I created some of them
> myself, too). You don't accidentally happen to
> have the grammar and lexicon
> online somewhere?

Sadly, no. I'm enough of a procrastinator that
little makes its way past the "scribbled notes"
stage. I'll make an effort, though. I really
will. I promise.

FWIW, my primary references are Beekes, Barnhart,
Watkins, Pahuvel and the AHD Appendix. Oh, and
Daniels & Bright for most of the script inspiration.


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Pb

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