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CONLANG  September 2002, Week 3

CONLANG September 2002, Week 3

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Re: Order of letters

From:

bnathyuw <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:40:48 +0100

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 --- Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > On Wed,
18 Sep 2002 19:22:37 -0700, Nihil Sum
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Aya c'eraz, a paikure
> >
> >How do you order the alphabet of a conlang?
> Logically? (p t k b d g m n ng
> >... etc) Completely randomly? (h m g b d s e p)
>
> Jarda has a logical order to the letters: all vowels
> first, then
> consonants. The vowels are listed in high to low,
> front to back order, with
> unrounded vowels before rounded. The consonants are
> also listed in front to
> back order, with a standard order for all the
> consonants at each point of
> articulation.
>
> http://www.io.com/~hmiller/lang/Jarda/spelling.html
>
> Tirelat, on the other hand, has a more or less
> arbitrary order, although
> the common letters tend to be listed earlier in the
> alphabet than the
> uncommon letters.
>
> http://www.io.com/~hmiller/lang/Tirelat/script.html
>
> >I'd like to take some inspiration from natural
> scripts. The problem is, I
> >can't see any reason behind the order of letters in
> these alphabets.
> >How did the order of the letters our alphabet -- or
> in the alphabet that
> >later developed into it -- come about?
>
> Devanagari and related scripts of India have a more
> or less reasonable
> order for the stops: starting with the velar stops,
> then continuing with
> palatal, retroflex, alveolar, and bilabial (the
> reverse of the Jarda
> order). Within each section, the voiceless stops are
> listed first
> (unaspirated, followed by aspirated), the voiced
> stops next (again,
> unaspirated, followed by aspirated), and finally the
> nasals. The rest of
> the consonants are added at the end of the alphabet,
> in no particularly
> obvious order.

it is obvious in fact, carrying on the front to back
system :

continuants : y r l w
sibilants : S s. s
and finally h ( except it's voiced and i can't be
bothered to look up the xsampa )

h and ~ come at the end except that h before a
sibilant is treated as that sibilant and ~ before a
stop is treated as a nasal from that series ( iirc )

bn

=====
bnathyuw | landan | arR
stamp the sunshine out | angelfish
your tears came like anaesthesia | phèdre

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