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CONLANG  November 2002, Week 2

CONLANG November 2002, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Vocab 2.3 and 2.4

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:26:11 -0500

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Aidan Grey wrote:

>  Okay, all you ravenous beasts, here is the promised double batch.
>
>#2.3
>
Kash versions:
>topic: genitive relatives (or whatever the "whose..." clauses are called)
As a general rule, "the X whose Y..." becomes (in literal translationese)
"the X
REL his Y..." in Kash, e.g. "the man whose car broke down" > "the man
who/which his car broke down".  Ditto for "with" clauses:  "the man with the
broken arm" > "the man who/which his arm is broken".  Resumptive pronoun, I
believe it's called.
>
>1. president...kanguka 'chairman, presiding person' < kuka 'sit', lit.
"sitter"
>2. office...conek
>     The president whose office is oval has moved to the country.

a. Topic/Comment: kanguka ya re conekni yale akañi citruvek, mende yacumat
ri hucombaye
kañ-kuka  ya  re  conek-ni  ya-ale akan-ni citruvek, mende ya-cumat
AGT-sit DEM-M REL office-his 3-be shape-its ellipse, PERF 3-move(residence)
ri hucomba-e
LOC countryside-DAT
This sentence could also start with the mende clause, kanguka etc. following
hucomba-- the point being that the kanguka clause is too "heavy" to be
subject-first (intonation differs if T/C vs. SVO)
(citruvek-- an irreg. compd. of ciyur 'circle' and livek 'long'; hucomba-- a
compd. of hutuñ 'area' and çomba 'land (physical)'.
Idiom not applicable here: enje t(a)renje 'town and country' lit. town
un-town)

>3. trap...andipat 'thing that captures', noml. añ-lipat
>     The hunter whose trap was empty is angry.
yamarak kacohi ya re andipatni yumbu (an instance of VS due to heavy NP)
3-marak kañ-çohi ya  re añ-lipat-ni yumbu
3-angry AGT-hunt DEM-M REL trap-his empty

>4. operate...(surgical) lica-tumbra lit. cut-treat, generally viewd as a
noun; rungoram 'manage, run/drive, operate' caus. of koram 'move'
>     He operated on her.
ne yamepu lica-tumbra
3-DAT 3-do operate/operation 'he did an operation on/to her'-- preferred
over colloq.: yan yalica-tumbra, her(acc) he cut-treat (acc. here because
the action directly affects her)
(lica-tumbra was the first thing that came to mind, I suppose the medical
profession has a more euphemistic tech. term.  Presumably a "surgeon" could
be a kandica-tumbra or just kandica 'cutter', but again, there's probably a
nicer way to say it.)

>     He knows how to operate (a well/pump) that machine
yakaya (ya)rungoram apral yu
3-know (3)caus-move machine DEM-N

>5. idea
>     Whose idea was that?
kariyi pilani yu lit. 'of whom thought-its/the  that-N'--idiomatic use of
pilani

>6. blame
>     The girl whose dress is torn blames you.
te yayitindor luminji ye re paloni yatret
te  ya-itindor  luminji  ye  re palo-ni ya-tret
2-DAT 3-blame yg.woman DEM-F REL sarong-her 3-torn

>7. descriptive...lepe-lepes, lelepes < lepes 'to call/name X Y'
>     The guy whose writing is very descriptive will probably win awards.
kunak yawupando engaremeç kañuri ya re añahañi sambat lepe-lepes
kunak ya-upan-to engarem-ç  kañ-uri ya re añ-ahan-ni  sambat lepes-redup.
maybe 3-receive prize-PL AGT-write DEM-M REL NOML-create-his  so-much
descriptive (Another VOS due to heavy subject NP)
lit. "maybe will receive prizes that writer whose creation/work (is) so
descriptive"

>8. upright...ningar 'to stand upright, erect'
>     It stood upright against the wall.
yaninga-ningar ri vorayeni nera
3-ninga(redupl) LOC side-DAT-its wall
"It stood upright onto-the-side-of  the wall"

Aha, a problem just solved-- ri vorani X (vora=ACC) beside X (location) vs.
ri vorayeni X (vora-e=DAT) against X (contact with, implied motion)..Hmm,
maybe...........still problems.

>9. everything...yuno 'all', pl. yunoç is OK too
>     Everything is as messed up! (don't you mean "_all_ messed up"?)
cakañeva yuno! (heavy stress on yu-)
ACCID-wrong/incorrect  all
"Everything is overcome-by-wrongness"

>10. own...1. apeña 'own, possess' takes DO in genitive; 2. (one's) own uses
reflexive/emphatic suffix -tu
>     The old woman who owns that (cat) house is really mean.
kukundri hañumbara, kaçuma ye marok re yapeña punayi yu
true-redup. hañu-mbara  kaçuma  DEM-F old REL ya-apeña puna-GEN DEM-N
really "black-souled", that old woman who owns that house.
(Kash don't have or own household pets)
Note: _apeña_ with an inanim. subject means 'belong to', the object/owner is
still in the genitive:
çenji yapeña punayi yu 'Shenji owns/is owner of/ that house'
puna yu yapeña çenjiyi 'that house belong to/is property of/  Shenji'

>     I can barely see my own hand in front of my face.
mapolepi (ma)tikas nilusmitu ri kandimi (~ri kandi katimi)
1s-pole-pi (1s)tikas nilus-my-REFL LOC front-my (~LOC front face-my)

I-able-barely (I)see hand-my-own in front-of-me (~in front [of] my face)
(Actually -tu is unnecessary here; there can only be one 1st person after
all.  Only if the subject were 3d pers would -tu be necessary to
disambiguate)

I'll do #2.4 in another lengthy post.........

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