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CONLANG December 2002, Week 1

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Re: new lang: karath

From:

Robert B Wilson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:42:57 -0500

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On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:43:58 -0800 Joseph Fatula <[log in to unmask]>
writes:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert B Wilson" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:45 PM
> Subject: new lang: karath
>
>
> > here's a new conlang i've made.
> >
> > phonemes:
> >
> > p       [p]
> > b       [b]
> > t       [t]
> > d       [d]
> > k       [k]
> > g       [g]
> >
> > r       [4]
> > l       [l]
> >
> > h       indicates a fricative (<ph>=[f], <dh>=[D]); rh=[r], lh=[l]
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, "lh" and "l" represent the same sound?  That's
> allowed,
> but I'm just checking if that's so or just a typo.

yes, they both represent the same sound.

> > n       indicates a nasal (<pn>=[m_0], <dn>=[n]); rn=[r], ln=[L]
>
> Same question here, "rn" and "rh" seem the same.

yep.

> > w       indicates labialization (<tw>=[t_w], <kw>=[k_w])
> > j       indicates palatalization (<tj>=[t_j], <kj>=[k_j])
>
> Are these examples the only labialized and palatalized consonants?
> For
> example, could I have "gw" or "dnj"?

no, they are not the only labialized and palatalized consonants.
there can be "gw", "dnj", or even "tnwj" (a labialized palatalized
voiceless nasal... i bet no natlang has that :))

> > a       [@]
> > e       [Ei]
> > i       [ae]
> > o       [au]
> > u       [M]
> >        [a]
> >        [i]
> >        [Ei]
> >        [oU]
> >        [u]
>
> Hmm... you've got an interesting transcription scheme for the
> vowels.  And
> again, it looks like two of them are the same, "e" and "".

yep.

> > direct article: -h-
> >         _geb_ 'word', _gheb_ 'the word'
> >         _kar_ 'person', _khar_ 'the person
>
> How do you know where to put the "-h-"?  Is it always after the first
> consonant, or before the last vowel?  If "kobln" means "cowboy",
> then is
> "the cowboy" : "khobln" or "kobhln"?

usually before the last vowel.  in compounds the -h- goes before the last
vowel of the head word.

> > cases:
> > Agent                   -
> > Patient         -e-
> >         agent _kar_, patient _kaer_
>
> Same question regarding placement of infixes.

usually after the last vowel, after the last vowel of the head word in
compounds.

> > genitive                -a
> > instrumental    -he
> >
> > number:
> > singular        -
> > dual            bo-
> > <a few> -wi
>
> I take it you don't know the term for this - not surprising as it's
> not all
> too common.  The term I've seen is "paucal", sometimes defined more
> specifically as "less than ten" or some such.

okay

> > plural  --
> >         _kar_, pl. _kar_
> >
> > verbs:
> >
> > aorist  -
> > present -a
> > past            --
> > future  -l
> >
> > continuative    -a-
> > perfective              -
> > futurative              -l-
> >
> > abilitive               bn-
> > obligative              --
> > desirative              -tnukh
> > optative                -(e)tnkhetn
> > subjunctive             -h
> > imperative              -i
> > interrogative   w-
>
> You've got a pretty large set of mood/aspect markers here, rather
> interesting.  Is there any reason why some are prefixes and others
> suffixes?
> And when is the (e) required? i.e., what sorts of consonant clusters
> are
> allowed?

the two that are prefixes were originally independent words. _bn_ is
related to the verb _bnl_ meaning 'to be able'. _w_ is the
interrogative pronoun.
_-tnukh_ and _-(e)tnkhetn_ were originally phrases.
the (e) is required when a cluster of four consonants (nasals,
fricatives, labialized, and palatalized consonants each count as one
consonant) would result or when a cluster CRC (C=any consonand, R='r',
'l', or any nasal) would result.

> > personal pronouns:
> >         pat.    agnt.
> > 1sg     dne     -(e)tn
> > 1pl     bn     -(e)bn
> > 2sg     te      -(e)d
> > 2pl     p      -(e)p
> > 3sg     ke      -(e)g
> > 3pl     t      -(e)t
>
> Does the suffix here go on the verb or the pronoun?

on the verb

> > adjectives:
> > an adjective is prefixed with a vowel that is also prefixed to the
> noun
> > that it modifies.
> > _bnul_ 'tall'; _kar_ 'person'; _abnul akar_, _akar abnul_, _ebnul
> ekar_,
> > _ekar ebnul_, etc. 'tall person'
>
> I don't understand this part here.  Do you mean that any vowel
> prefix on an
> adjective is also prefixed to the noun it modifies, or that if a
> noun has a
> vowel prefix, that it is prefixed to the adjective?

the vowel prefix is used to show what noun and adjective go together.
the prefix can be any vowel as long as the same vowel is prefixed to the
adjective and the noun.
this can also be used with verbs and nouns to avoid possible ambiguity.

> Looks interesting so far, I'd love to see a sample of the language
> written
> out.  Or better yet, a sound clip of it!

here's a sample:

bharg murkat ral ghaerdn othadn kharg ethak etal ekea dnadn otor
obnabnar phaldnhl bno kae e arathl abhilnathen

love.PAST.3sg God.AGNT so_much world.DEF.PAT therefore give.PAT.3sg
e.son.PAT e.only 3.3sg.GEN so_that o.one_who o.beleive die.FUT.SUBJ not
that.PAT and a.live.FUT.SUBJ a.forever

> Joe Fatula

Robert Wilson
http://kuvazokad.free.fr/
Yessess Eru ontan Menel ar Cemen.
Yessess a Quetta ar Quetta n as Eru ar Eru n Quetta.

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