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CONLANG December 2002, Week 1

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Re: new lang: karath

From:

Joseph Fatula <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:43:58 -0800

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert B Wilson" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: new lang: karath


> here's a new conlang i've made.
>
> phonemes:
>
> p       [p]
> b       [b]
> t       [t]
> d       [d]
> k       [k]
> g       [g]
>
> r       [4]
> l       [l]
>
> h       indicates a fricative (<ph>=[f], <dh>=[D]); rh=[r], lh=[l]

Unless I'm mistaken, "lh" and "l" represent the same sound?  That's allowed,
but I'm just checking if that's so or just a typo.

> n       indicates a nasal (<pn>=[m_0], <dn>=[n]); rn=[r], ln=[L]

Same question here, "rn" and "rh" seem the same.

> w       indicates labialization (<tw>=[t_w], <kw>=[k_w])
> j       indicates palatalization (<tj>=[t_j], <kj>=[k_j])

Are these examples the only labialized and palatalized consonants?  For
example, could I have "gw" or "dnj"?

> a       [@]
> e       [Ei]
> i       [ae]
> o       [au]
> u       [M]
>        [a]
>        [i]
>        [Ei]
>        [oU]
>        [u]

Hmm... you've got an interesting transcription scheme for the vowels.  And
again, it looks like two of them are the same, "e" and "".

> direct article: -h-
>         _geb_ 'word', _gheb_ 'the word'
>         _kar_ 'person', _khar_ 'the person

How do you know where to put the "-h-"?  Is it always after the first
consonant, or before the last vowel?  If "kobln" means "cowboy", then is
"the cowboy" : "khobln" or "kobhln"?

> cases:
> Agent                   -
> Patient         -e-
>         agent _kar_, patient _kaer_

Same question regarding placement of infixes.

> genitive                -a
> instrumental    -he
>
> number:
> singular        -
> dual            bo-
> <a few> -wi

I take it you don't know the term for this - not surprising as it's not all
too common.  The term I've seen is "paucal", sometimes defined more
specifically as "less than ten" or some such.

> plural  --
>         _kar_, pl. _kar_
>
> verbs:
>
> aorist  -
> present -a
> past            --
> future  -l
>
> continuative    -a-
> perfective              -
> futurative              -l-
>
> abilitive               bn-
> obligative              --
> desirative              -dnukh
> optative                -(e)tnkhetn
> subjunctive             -h
> imperative              -i
> interrogative   w-

You've got a pretty large set of mood/aspect markers here, rather
interesting.  Is there any reason why some are prefixes and others suffixes?
And when is the (e) required? i.e., what sorts of consonant clusters are
allowed?

> personal pronouns:
>         pat.    agnt.
> 1sg     dne     -(e)tn
> 1pl     bn     -(e)bn
> 2sg     te      -(e)d
> 2pl     p      -(e)p
> 3sg     ke      -(e)g
> 3pl     t      -(e)t

Does the suffix here go on the verb or the pronoun?

> adjectives:
> an adjective is prefixed with a vowel that is also prefixed to the noun
> that it modifies.
> _bnul_ 'tall'; _kar_ 'person'; _abnul akar_, _akar abnul_, _ebnul ekar_,
> _ekar ebnul_, etc. 'tall person'

I don't understand this part here.  Do you mean that any vowel prefix on an
adjective is also prefixed to the noun it modifies, or that if a noun has a
vowel prefix, that it is prefixed to the adjective?

> Robert Wilson
> http://kuvazokad.free.fr/
> I yessess Eru ontan Menel ar Cemen.
> I yessess a Quetta ar Quetta n as Eru ar Eru n Quetta.

Looks interesting so far, I'd love to see a sample of the language written
out.  Or better yet, a sound clip of it!

Joe Fatula

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