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CONLANG  January 2003, Week 2

CONLANG January 2003, Week 2

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Re: Replies to my Introduction

From:

Nik Taylor <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 11 Jan 2003 05:01:17 -0600

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Sarah Marie Parker-Allen wrote:
> spring                  zhoshra
> seagull                 zhoskei
> universe, cosmos                zhoslka
> library                 zhosllei
>
> See?  All start with the same root, "zhos," but aren't connected to each
> other.

Bat and Battle don't have anything to do with each other either.  :-)
English does have a preference for monosyllabic roots, but many other
languages have other preferences.  Japanese prefers 2-4 mora (rhythmic
unit, similar to a syllable) roots, for example, so that, for example,
just to take a few words at random from my Japanese-English dictionary:

Kakashi - Scarecrow
Kakasu - Miss (as in a meeting)
Kakato - Heel
Kakari - Charge, expenses
Kakariai - Involvement
Kakaru - Hang (among other meanings)
Kakan - Resolute

All start with Kaka-, but most are unrelated to each other.

> I think I'm going to scrap the vocabulary and start over.  And, no,
> I don't quite have a good way of explaining how to pronounce to "l"s side by
> side, like in zhosllei.

Long l?  Or perhaps ll represents a different sound than l.  Uatakassi
allows any consonant to be geminated (doubled), including l.

> Plurals:
> if it ends in a single vowel: “n”
> if it ends in a dipthong: “ln”
> if it ends in a consnant: “eia” (ay-yah)
>
> And I'm pretty sure I was short on sleep the day I came up with this list of
> grammatical genders:
>
> adult male
> adult female
> child/youth
> infant/animals
> inanimate (general)
> diminutive/informal familiar
> formal-superior
> formal-inferior
> spirit/ephemeral
> formal-superior-plural
> inanimate-plural
> child/youth/infant/animal-plural
> adult-plural
> collective personages-plural

Very interesting.  Almost Bantu-like.  Bantu languages use prefixes to
mark gender and number, with several genders using the same form in the
plural.  I don't understand what the "familiar" and "formal" forms would
mean in relation to gender, tho.

> That was before I came up with the plural formation thing, I haven't decided
> where I'm going with this.

Have both!  :-)  THat's what Uatakassi (my conlang) does.  It has gender
prefixes which mark singular/plural, as well as a plural suffix.  For
example:

Titassa - sister (ti- "female sentient singular" tassa "sibling")
Tittassai - Sisters (ti*- "female sentient plural" tassa "sibling" -i
    "plural" - note, the * in ti*- symbolizes that it geminates,
    that is, doubles, the following consonant)

> There's something really endearing about the
> idea of making children and animals have the same grammatical gender in the
> plural, for me.  Don't know why.

My Uatakassi uses the same gender for pre-linguistic infants and mutes
as for "animals associated with people"

> Oh, and here's the WIP list of nouns that
> will be (once I've decided what words they are!) irregular.
>
> mother, father, sister, brother, man, woman, wife, husband, home, drink,
> food, love, life, hope

All of which are likely candidates for irregular forms.  Uatakassi
doesn't have very many.  The exact number depends on how you define
irregular.  For example, -i is the normal plural suffix, but some nouns
that end in -a drop that before adding -i, so that, for example, the
plural of the adjective _amba_, "clever", is _ambi_ not the expected
*_ambai_.  This rule is further complicated by a regular rule that
changes sti and ski to ssi, and zdi to zzi, so that _lalasta_ (flying
animal) becomes in the plural _laflassi_, la-/laf- being the
singular/plural for "wild animal".  Likewise, a number of verbs that
begin with consonant-a-consonant drop the a, often with phonetic
changes, after vowel-final prefixes.

--
"There's no such thing as 'cool'.  Everyone's just a big dork or nerd,
you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." -
overheard
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