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CONLANG  January 2003, Week 5

CONLANG January 2003, Week 5

Subject:

Re: IPA question

From:

Tristan <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:39:02 +1100

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H. S. Teoh wrote:

>>You, presumably, haven't heard of one George W. Bush, or the people who
>>voted him in.
>>
>>
>Is Australia any better in that respect? Eh? ;-)
>
Bush is neither American nor did we vote him in. And leave Howard out of
this. I was too young to have a say in that, so it's not my fault. And
anyway, only I'm allowed to bag Australia. You keep out of that. You
have Canada and America to bag, okay?

>Australian is pretty deviant by my standards. ;-)
>
Your standards don't count.

>But I hope you realize I was only transcribing Canadian English as I've
>picked it up since coming here. If you *really* wanted to know my native
>English idiolect sounds like, let's just say, [its5 nAt2 wat2 ju:5 ti:Nk2
>la5, ju5 prA1li2 kan2 an5n@5st&n1 it2 &1ni1wei2 ju5no3]. (Numbers are
>Hokkien tones; tone 1 = 33, tone 2 = 35, tone 3 = 13, tone 5 = 21.)
>
I imagined you'd be something like that and was initially surprised to
see how good your English was... But then, I'd forgotten you'd moved to
Canada...

>Watcha staring at me like that for? You asked for it! :-P
>
No I didn't. You gave it to me.

>>Sure it is. I've never heard 'g'day mate' as 'go die, mite', why should
>>you?
>>
>>
>
>'cos you hear funny. ;-)
>
Actually, I would think that the fact that I hear 'g'day mate' as 'g'day
mate' would be pretty good evidence that I'm hearing properly...

>LOL... I've only been in Australia for less than a week, so I really can't
>say. But of course I was a tourist... who'd want to *live* in such a
>weird-speaking country? ;-) (Besides all those New Zealand being boiling
>mud jokes, of course. :-P)
>
Yeah, but were you a happy-snap tourist or an educated elistist tourist?

>[snip]
>
>
>>>OK, I only have a faint clue what a velarised 'l' might be. I don't think
>>>I've encountered it in English. Not that I noticed, anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>Does 'velarized' help any? Some sort of co-articulation happening with
>>the velar and the alveolar areas?
>>
>>
>LOL... I'm not an American, thank you very much. I spell it "velarised",
>but apparently you spell it "veralised". Weird Aussies. ;-)
>
I blame my keyboard. The R and L keys are right next to each other. And
if you spell it 'velarised', why do you spell it 'realized', hmm?

>>Stress, maybe length... the recitation form of 'been' and 'bean' are the
>>same, but when spoken in a bunch of other words, one woul be [bin] and
>>the other [b@i;n] I guess...
>>
>>
>
>The latter sounds like "bane" to me. :-)
>
See, I knew it was you who heard badly. You ought to see an ear doctor.

>[snip]
>
>
>>The two sounds, though very similar, are different. Trust me. Americans
>>(and Canadians, and anyone else who happens to live in that general
>>direciton) have a stupid-sounding /&/. I dunno what exactly the
>>difference is, but based on the fact that my [e] has run up in
>>comparison with your [E], and Kiwi [I] is the equivalent of my [e] (so
>>they say nick for neck), and their [e] is the equivalent of my [&] (so
>>they say ken for can), it would not suprise me if my [&] was higher than
>>yours.
>>
>>
>From the way you transcribed your words, it seems that your /&/ is indeed
>higher than mine. :-)
>
>
>>If you followed that, congratulations. If not, I forgive you.
>>
>>
>I don't know NZ phonetics, so you've lost me a bit there.
>
Basically, it's the same as Australian, except /8/ is /2/, /I/ is
/@/-like, and the other front short/lax vowels are shifted up one step.
It sounds incredibly funny. Instead of fish-and-chips shops, they have
fush-and-chups shops.

>>Oh yes, I did realise that, but 'American' refers to that variety of
>>American such is heard on both American and Canadian television shows.
>>
>>
>[snip]
>
>"I saw it on TV, it must be true!"
>
>;-)
>
What..? Are you telling me there aren't aliens and yellow four-fingered
people and all that other weird stuff?! Argh! My world's falling apart!

Tristan.

http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies
- What's on at your local cinema?

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