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CONLANG  March 2003, Week 4

CONLANG March 2003, Week 4

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Re: Irregularality in languages

From:

Peter Clark <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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On Tuesday 25 March 2003 07:32 am, Chris Bates wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was thinking about the irregularity in languages. My native language
> is english, I did GCSE french but it didn't really stick, I've read up a
> little on a lot of languages and at the moment I'm just trying to settle
> on one and learn it properly. Anyway, I was wondering what people think
> is the biggest factor in determining how irregular a language is.
        I think the biggest factor is language change in general. As languages
change, their grammatical rules, which were once straight-forward, become
increasingly conplex as sounds are added, dropped, or changed. Take, for
instance, English's "strong" verbs (like ring/rang/rung); this was once a
very common and productive pattern. But as time went on, the -ed ending
became more common for the past simple and participle forms, so now the
strong verbs are irregular, while new verbs generally comply to the -ed form.
But this is not always the case: the past tense of "dive" was originally
"dived," but in some parts it has become "dove" as an anology to the strong
verbs, even though it was never a strong verb. So it's a new irregular.
        In general, irregulars in a language are often the most commonly-used words,
becuase uncommon words are more prone to being regularized. The more
frequently a word is in use, the easier it is to remember if it is irregular
or not.

> At
> first I thought that english seemed to me to be pretty regular, but a
> moment's research has showed that in fact there are not a few irregular
> verbs but a very large number.
        "Very large" is a relative term. For a speaker of Quechua, English is
impossibly obfuscated. For a German speaker, it's quite regular. (I'm
ignoring spelling, of course.)

A text I found on the internet claims
> there are approximately 160 irregular verbs in english (3.6% of all
> verbs), instances of which account for 58% of all uses of verbs,
> although I suspect this is made slightly easier by the fact that there
> are far fewer forms of each verb than there are in many other languages.
        And by the fact that there are very few _truly_ irregular verbs. When
teaching irregular English verbs, I sort them into groups. I don't have my
list with me right now, but most of them can be sorted into about six groups,
as I recall, such as the i/a/u group (sing/sang/sung) or the
"past-simple/past participle identical" (catch/caught/caught). It makes it
easier to learn the irregulars if they are in organized chunks.

> Note: Just thinking, the figures for english can't be right. 160 being
> 3.6% of all verbs puts the total at about 4000, and I don't think
> english has that many, since isn't someone fluent in a language supposed
> to have a vocab of about 10,000 words?
        Actually, your typical English dictionary will have anywhere between 50,000
and 250,000 words. Mind you, a lot of this is restricted to specialized
fields, hence the inflation. If anything, I would place 4000 at the low end;
my first guess would be to say that this represents the 4000 most common
verbs. After all, when you can have a sentence like "Verbing weirds
languages," where do you draw the line? :)
        I think that the 10,000 number for fluency is for *conversational* fluency.
An average native speaker should recognize between 15,000 and 20,000 words,
depending upon their level of education. Most people, however, don't use more
than an average of 2,000 different words in a day. Of course, that set of
words will vary by circumstance and topic, which is why five times that
amount is considered conversationally fluent.
        :Peter
--
Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive!

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