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CONLANG  April 2003, Week 2

CONLANG April 2003, Week 2

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Re: Improved (Short) Ygyde

From:

Andrew Nowicki <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:59:52 +0200

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Joe Fatula wrote:
JF> Hmm... from what I recall of the Ygyde cataloging system,
JF> this could be a problem.  I agree that removing some of those
JF> repeated sounds makes the word sound better, but aren't those
JF> sounds important to indicate the meaning of the word?

In the Standard Ygyde a consonant always follows a vowel and a
vowel always follows a consonant. If there is a missing consonant
you know it is the same as the previous consonant. If there is
a missing vowel, you know it is the same as the previous vowel.

JF> Are you still looking to make an international language,
JF> or is Ygyde just for fun at this point?  If you're still
JF> working on it as an IAL, it's got a long ways to go, but
JF> if it's just for fun, I think it's kind of interesting.

It is both. I made lots of changes in the dictionary and the
number table to make the words sound more distinct. There are
still only 180 root words and about 500 predefined words.
I am still unhappy with the sound of many 7 letters long Ygyde
words. It seems that the best way to handle them is to cut them
to 5 letters.

Perfection does not exist, so when we judge Ygyde, we should
compare it with similar languages (Ro, aUI, Lojban, and Ododu).

I am a very narrow minded conlanger so I will not hang around
for long. I am interested only in languages that make compound
words from short roots.

JF> Either way, I'd suggest changing the pronunciation of "y"
JF> to something else, because the way it is now, it's too
JF> similar to "i" for most people.  The u-umlaut sound in
JF> German would be good - it's distinct, relatively common in
JF> the world's languages, and it's sometimes represented by "y".

"H. S. Teoh" wrote:
HST> I agree. I have a lot of trouble distinguishing between
HST> [I] and [i]; I can hear the difference easily, but I think
HST> of them as the same phoneme, and I> often mispronounce one
HST> for the other. But I like [y], I think it's a beautiful
HST> sound.[1] :-)

I agree. "y" and "i" sound too similar. I will check the
u-umlaut. An imperfect solution to this problem is the Long
Ygyde, which has only 13 letters: a u i b p d t g k w s m l.
Most Long Ygyde root words are 3 letters long (CVV).

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