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CONLANG  May 2003, Week 2

CONLANG May 2003, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Introduction

From:

Christophe Grandsire <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 13 May 2003 22:19:06 +0200

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En réponse à Mark J. Reed :

>I just sort of jumped in here and started posting to the list
>recently without introducing myself, so I thought I'd correct
>that bit of rudeness on my part.

Welcome to the list! (have I forgotten some post or am I the first one to
officially welcome you? For someone who was aways when you appeared, that's
just prime! ;))) - sorry: watching reruns of Beast Wars currently ;)))) -)

>I'm a 35-year-old native United Statesian living in Atlanta, GA.
>I started creating languages when I was just a kid.  Actually,
>it grew out of my interest in codes/cryptography.  My first
>"conlang" was really just a pronouncible cipher of English- a
>standard Caesar letter-substitution cipher that always replaced
>vowels with vowels and consonants with consonants.  Since this
>didn't always produce pronouncible words, I expanded it over time
>to include some phonetic aspects, such as treating as a unit sounds
>normally represented by digraphs.  I didn't want to make it based
>on a phonetic transcription, though, because it would be pretty
>darn obvious what was going on if my "language" had exactly the
>same word for, say, "to", "two", and "too". :)

Hehe, indeed, it seems that cryptography is one of those interests that
grow up easily into conlanging (what's more hidden than a new language?).
Interestingly enough, I did have some interest in cryptography in the past,
but only in the processes, and I never made it into a hobby (unlike my
conlanging ;)) ).

>Later I developed an agglutinative/isolating grammar for the language.
>It's still built around the enciphered roots, but they're modified
>according to the language's own rules after encipherment, instead
>of according to English's rules prior to encipherment.  I also
>borrowed some roots from other languages to avoid other types of
>"similar in English yields similar in my language" problems, related
>to the to/too/two issue mentioned above.  The result is the language
>I currently call "Methkaeki", although it has had other names in the
>past.  As I said earlier, the grammar is in some ways not terribly
>creative, which in my case means it's Englishlike, but at this point
>it's no longer just enciphered - or even encoded - English.

Interesting origin for a language, and interesting way of generating
vocabulary :))) . I have a bit of that in my producing vocabulary for my
conlang Maggel, but not on a productive basis (it would be too easy, and
Maggel is the contrary of productivity ;))) ).

>For my later languages I used a priori vocabulary generation,
>using computer programs (back in the day, written in BASIC on
>a Commodore 128)

Wow! It brings me all kinds of memories!! Ah, my dear Amstrad CPC 6128
(with which I had managed to program a text editor in BASIC, complete with
word search and everything ;))) ).

>  to generate random root words.  One of them has the
>distinction, thanks to a prankish college friend, of including in
>its lexicon a fundamental root word for "yogurt-head" (["jAgwA]).

LOL.

>My original application for my constructed languages was to provide
>a native language for an alien superhero character I created.

Interesting idea. What were the characteristics of this superhero? (I ask
that because I myself have created a group of superheroes when I was young,
which included an alien one - a creature made of pure energy :) -)

>Over time I have developed a family of languages for his home
>planet, which includes Methkaeki, but I have yet to decide
>exactly how they're all related - which makes it hard to create
>the cognates. :) Sometimes there are coincidental correspondences
>between the Methkaeki roots (which come from enciphered-English)
>and the (randomly generated) roots of the other languages; these I
>turn into cognates.  In other words, I do exactly the sort of thing
>that would be a newbie mistake in actual comparative linguistics.
>:)

LOL. Nevertheless, it's conlanging and what's nice with conlanging is that
you may do whatever you want ;))) .

>  For instance, one of the other languages is called "Kaikutin";
>its name is a passive-agent form of the verb "kaikin" "to speak";
>it literally means "that which is spoken", or "speakee".  The fact
>that its word for "to speak" includes the syllable "kaik" and the
>name "Methkaeki" (which is Methkaeki for "language" - did I mention
>my lack of nomenclatural creativity?) includes the syllable "kaek"
>is in reality a completely random occurrence, but I have "deduced"
>a relationship going back to an ancestor language in which
>[kAjk] was a root related to speech.

Nice :) .


>Meanwhile, I plan to translate this week's vocabulary into both
>Methkaeki and Kaikutin, and possibly thereby discover new cognates.
>It's an exciting prospect. :)

Hehe.

>Happy conlanging!

Thanks! Welcome again!

Christophe Grandsire.
http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr
You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.

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