Mark J. Reed sikyal:
> CG> (it's only a "physical" property of normal connected speech, which
> CG> truly pronounces long vowels as long vowels and final nasals as ends of
> CG> syllable).
> Okay, I'll buy the nasals, but I don't understand what you mean by
> "truly pronounces long vowels as long vowels". What is the phonetic
> difference between [to:] and [too]?
None the way you've written it, but you're confusing yourself by leaving
out syllable boundaries. Let's clarify: [to:] is one syllable with a long
vowel. This may also be written as [too]. However, both of these are
different from [to.o] ([.] is used to signify a syllable break). [to.o] is
a two-syllable word with two short vowels. Think of the English phrase "go
over"--no matter how fast I pronounce this, it remains 3 syllables, but
the first two approach [go.o]. (Let's ignore the phonetic specifics of
My conlang Yivrian has lots of these sorts of syllables, actually. [a.a]
is very common, with [o.o] and [u.u] as other possibilities. In fast
speech, however, these are reduced to monosyllabic [a:], [o:], [u:]. See
> And let's not forget gemination. Doesn't it also create an additional mora,
> so that "makka" has three morae rather than two? Is there also a discernible
> difference between [mAk:A] and [mAkkA]?
Yep, /makka/ has three morae[*]. Here, again, you'll confuse yourself by
not noting syllable boundaries. Something like /makka/ has three
theoretically possible syllabifications:
I doubt that any of these other than the first ever exists in the world's
[*] I don't know for sure if Japanese actually counts this as moraic,
though. While the first syllable of [mak.ka] is phonetically heavy,
a language does not necessarily have to count it as *phonologically*
heavy. I vaguely suspect that Japanese does not assign a mora to coda
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