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AUXLANG  June 2003, Week 4

AUXLANG June 2003, Week 4

Subject:

Auxlang > Eurolang > Romaling

From:

Wei Chang <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:49:00 -0400

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This is my opinion. Not a insult. Only opinion!!

I look at Auxlang from time to time, most in summertimes. It
seems to be evolving strangely.

Seems to me that Auxlang is more than in past filled with "yet
another Eurolang." No interest in Africa, Asia, much of the
rest of world. Eurolangism is ok maybe for Europe. But in
my opinion wont sell even there--at least not the kind that
I see here now--which has very little of anything French/ English/ German in it. Ido, Novial, Occidental made various
efforts to find links to the rest of Europe. Esperanto for
all its strange structure even reached out to Slavics.

There is much talk of need to compromise the many projects,
but since 2/3 are HIGHLY Romantic, the result of any
compromise will be only one more Romantic IAL. Esperanto's
slavic roots would be lost in the mass of romantic ones.

What do I see in Auxlang today??

This time I look, what I see is largely new versions of very
"Romantic" [can this word have that meaning] languages. I saw
Sermo and made some comment that someone [the author??] thought
was insulting. I do not wish to insult--only to inform about
one opinion.

This is difficult. Many at Auxlang now seem even insulted if
English is used to talk!! Insist on a Romance lingua or "maybe
Esperanto." This is what one calls parochial--in my opinion. How many in India know any of any of these? How many in China!?
How many in Japan? How many in Indonesia/Malaysia area? [Except for French, VERY few in anyplace outside ROMA-centered zone.]
I have a feeling that many or most on Auxlang no longer care
about these people at all. That is sad.

So this Roma-centered trend is maybe nice for part of Europe & LatAm, but wont sell in other places. My opinion. VERY little
nod to Francophones even -- compare Novial & Ido. Not even
much Portugese.

Why so dim on French? Why ignore Turk, Arabic, etc.? Why anti
English words? Many are now quite international. Very widely
studied [even used] in Japan, India, Nigeria, etc.

Some of Auxlang people seem anti-English!! Or do they just
consider the English below them, like Russians, Hindis,
Arabic people, Chinese, Japanese, Bengalis, Indonesians,
etc ?? "Great unwashed mass" of heathens--or heretics
from "Great Roma"??  Sorry, that was sarcastic. But it expresses a feeling of one person. [And probably others]

What I see is Auxlang turning into "Romalang" or maybe Roma-
"ling" [to get rid of "nasty English" tone of -lang.]

This is puzzling to me. The opening page about Sermo is [if I
understand] that it is designed to "unite mankind." Yet I do
not see any effort to do that!! One does not unite mankind by
forcing all into a narrow narrow narrow Romanic mold.! That is
a sort of linguistic imperialism in my opinion.

Sermo language is needless complicated--More than Ido. It has
gender & plural, etc. in articles--are they even needed at
all?? There are 33 forms of each verb--how many in Chinese?? And
that is not counting compound verbs such as passives--& they
use havar and estar in patterns that [in my opinion] make little
sense outside a very local zone of Romanic language.

I think that people like those doing Sermo are not even aware
of the impression they make. Sample: Sermo says that it has
26 letters but W Y & K appear only in "foreign words" Who is
"foreign" in a language that is designed to "unite all
humanity"?? The cities Roma, Barcelona, and Madrid are not
foreign [no alien letters]--but Jakarta, Karachi, even
Washington are "foreign places"--you can see that right away
with all those foreigner letters. If you are italian, spanish,
catalonian, etc. you are not foreign--but if you are so
infortunate as to be from Kenya, Malaysia, Kuwait, Kansas,
New York, Yokohama, Wuhan, etc. everyone is alerted to avoid
you as a "foreigner." If your name is Wei or William, you are
marked as foreign.

What I see [my opinion] is little or no effort by the Romanic
designers now so busy at Auxlang--to even attempt to ease the
learning load for non Romanics. "Make it good for me and my
kind" seems the effort. I don't think that they even realize
the fact that they are building big systems that will NEVER
sell in the real world. They ignore most [maybe 90%] of
humanity.

This is only one opinion. But I think many [many in the real world, not on Auxlang today] would join me in saying something
like the above

I'm simpley trying to alert people to a serious problem.
There is a lot of hard work being wasted on hopeless projects
in my opinion. I am sorry to see this. It would be nice to have
an IAL. This is not the way in my opinion.

Maybe you get the general idea of my thoughts. Hope so.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 "." CHANG Wei
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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