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CONLANG August 2003, Week 1

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Re: Help in Determining Asha'ille Typology

From:

Arthaey Angosii <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:56:23 -0700

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Emaelivpeith Jesse Bangs:
>These are the wrong kind of examples to use for deciding whether a
>language is accusative, ergative, or active.

Oops.  Like I said, I don't quite know what to do with these labels.  :P

>Can you post translations of these three sentences:

I decided to only post the version with explicit, separate subjects and
objects (rather the also use the conjugations), since that's all you seem
to need.  Also, I used "I walk" instead of "I run" -- shouldn't change
anything, right?

>1) I eat food.
>2) I run.
>3) I fall.

1)  Échiv en'i ne chodál.
    eat   self OBJ: food

2)  Mmasaev en'i.
    walk    self

3)  Nesheiv en'i.

>An accusative language is one in which "I" in all three sentences is
>marked the same (nominative), while "food" is marked differently
>(accusative).

So Asha'ille looks solidly accusative.

I found this in the Wikipedia:

>Another common classification is whether the language is ergative or
>accusative. If the language has cases, this is determined by whether the
>subject of an intransitive verb has the same case as the subject or the
>object of a transitive verb. If it doesn't, but the order is SVO or OVS,
>this is determined by whether the subject of the intransitive verb is on the
>same side as the subject or the object of the transitive verb.

Now, I realize that anyone could have written that explanation and could
therefore be totally wrong.  But if it is correct, then I should point out
that Asha'ille doesn't have cases (at least as I understand the meaning of
what case is).  Is Asha'ille accusative anyway?

Thanks for the help, Jesse!  :)

Emaelivpeith HS Teoh:
>T
>
>--
>I see that you JS got Bach.

Ooo, Teoh arrises from Lurkland too!  :)  I see your God-as-a-Perl-Script
is at work again, aptly replying to JS Bangs' e-mail with JS Bach.  :P


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