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AUXLANG  August 2003, Week 5

AUXLANG August 2003, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Kontraux la beado de la sxafaro (cxi tio estis: Multilingual project BL-BY).

From:

Kjell Rehnstrom <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:58:13 +0200

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pracrito wrote:

>     Saluton, Gxejmeso Cxandlero.
>     Ci diris: "Esperanto is just one giant problem and it would be
> best if it simply disappeared off the face of the Earth tomorrow. Then
> all beginners would be forced to learn a really good language and we
> could all move forward.".
>     Sed por mi, flua parolanto (flua parolanto, ne nur flua skribanto
> aux leganto) de la lingvo Esperanto, ne necesas la malapero de cxi tiu
> malsukcesa planlingvo. La difektoj de la lingvo estas ja evidentaj,
> kiel ankaux estas evidenta la cxiama reakciemo de Zamenhofo kaj la
> aliaj regantoj de la esperantismo. Tamen, cxu la esperantismo povas
> halti la progreson gxis pli bonaj planlingvoj? Ne; la ido, la ulango,
> la akadono, la tino, la ekspreso kaj aliaj projektoj pruvas ke neniel
> la esperantismo (felicxe!) povas silenti la disopiniantojn.

Il es un multo tendentiose e un poco ridicule enumeration de linguas
concurrentes de esperanto. Meritante mention es ante toto interlingua,
latino sine flexione e ante toto interlingua.

Il merita dicer ancora un vice (volta): Ido e esperanto completa un le
altere, il ha personas qui plus facilemente apprende ido, como James, e
il ha altere qui plus facilemtne apprende esperanto (como io). Si le
esperantistas labora pro se e le idistas pro se illes pote duplicar
(dublar) lor fortias in loco de combatter un le altere.

>     La eraro de la pledantoj kontraux la reakciema Akademio de
> Esperanto, kontraux tiu monumento omagxe al la pseuxdoscienco kiu
> estas la verko Fundamento de Esperanto, kaj tiel plu, estas cxiam la
> sama: ili intencas prediki al la sxafaro. Sed la sola parolo kiun la
> sxafaro komprenas kaj kantas estas: beo. Do la sxafaro beas, beadas
> kaj rebeados gxis la fino de la tempoj.

Il es un del caracteristicas de un academia que illo es reactionari o
conservative. Durante mi tempore como active propagator de esperanto io
non me recorda que justo le academia de esperanto era un particularmente
obstaculose entitate.

>     Ne eblas akordi kun la sxafaro! la sxafaro povas, sxajne, akordi
> kelkajn kondicxojn, sed ilin gxi perfidos kiam gxi povos.

Le esperantistas non es oves, illes es ordinari humanos qui proba usar
un lingua.

>     Oni forgesu la sxafaron se la sxafaro estas tro malforta por
> malsanigi nin, aux oni pafu kontraux la sxafaron se gxi minacas nian
> liberon; ne ekzistas meza vojo.
>     Kiel probale ci scias, mi estas esperanta reformisto kaj
> esperantoparolanto, kvankam malesperantisto kaj neniel esperantisto,
> vorto kiun mi konsideras fifamegan insulton kontraux min.

Tu attitude es interessante. In qual senso le esperantistas es oves in
comparation a te o in qual senso altere personas es oves in relation a
qualcunque humano de mestiero.

>     La uzado de la Esperanto kiel nur lingvo implicas neniun
> ekakcepton kaj neniun akceptadon de la sekteca movado nomata, gxis
> nun, esperantismo. Same kiel la uzado de la angla lingvo ne implicas
> la akceptadon de la anglosaksa imperialismo.
>     Iuj diris, cxe la reformismo esperanta kaj cxe aliaj rondoj, ke mi
> tro facilanime akceptas jen cxi tiun jen tiun formon de planlingvo. La
> vero estas ke al mi ne gravas la suprajxo, la gramatiko, ortografio
> kaj tiel plu. Al mi gravas la enhavo. Kion ni diros per ne perfekta
> sed ja suficxe facila planlingvo?

Isto es un sage opinion. Le problema con le linguas auxiliar es
generalmente que illos es troppo usate pro parlar in le meritos del
proprie lingua, e forsan necuno de nos es totalmente sin peccata in iste
relation, ma le facto restas, nos usa troppo rarmente nostre linguas pro
mediar un contento.

> (texto delite)
>     Oni parolu al la individuoj kiuj jam ne prononcas la plej putran
> frazon el cxiuj putraj frazoj: "Mi obeas cxiam la legxon kaj
> indiferentas al mi cxu justa cxu ne.":

Un tal enunciation es forsan culturalmente determinate. Io es del
opinion que leges es ibi por esser sequite. Si il ha leges que on non
pote sequer on pote romper los sed on debe esser preste pagar le precio
pro isto.

E leges le quales on non accepta on debe laborar pro cambiar. On debe
laborar pro circumstantias democratic que permitte al cive individual
haber influentia in le gestion del territorio in le qual on vive.

Le problema es sovente que le majoritate de humanos lassa iste gestion a
un plus o minus auto-nominate elite que face le direction e postea on
plange se multissimo quando isto non functiona.

>     Oni parolu al la gavotoj

Que es gavotoj?

>  kiuj jam flugas nokte. Eble ekzistas iu Dio, tion mi ne rifuzas. Sed,
> se gxi, li, sxi aux tio ekzistas, sendube tiu Dio parolas per neniu
> komitato, neniu eklezio, neniu sindikato; se tiu Dio estas reala, kaj
> mi pensas ke jes, tiu Dio parolas via la amo kiu naskigxas el la
> auxtentikeco ekzisteca.

Iste idea pote esser le initio de un religion. Il existe un deo, ma iste
deo es como le sol que radia su amor al humanos, tanto como le sol radia
su calor al humanos, ma le amor del sol pote esser troppo forte,
comburente, consumante! Isto es le mesme cosa con le Deo su amor de illo
pote esser comburente, consumante.

Amicalmente

Kjell R

* Nota que "illo" e "lo" es ci neutros e non masculinos, como on pote
facilmente creder in le contexto de deo. Il es troppo antropomorfic pro
me imaginar un deitate con sexo!

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