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AUXLANG  September 2003, Week 4

AUXLANG September 2003, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Introduction to Kerla

From:

Michael Farris <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:41:50 +0200

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Haden" <[log in to unmask]>

> Description of Kerla (So Far)
>

I'm going into argumentative linguist mode here, so if any of my comments
seem snippy, don't take it personally.

>
> Phonology - Consonants:

Is this fonemic or fonetic? It looks like a fonemic chart


>           Labial     Alveo-Dental     Velar     Palatal     Glottal
>
> Stops      p  b          t  d         k  g                     ?*
>
> Fricatives   v            s                      c /S/         h*
>
> Nasals       m            n             ng*
>
> Flaps                     r
>
> Laterals                  l
>
> * ? and h only occur initially; ng only exists when pronouncing -nk/g-

four questions:

1. Why do you have the velars listed to the left of the palatals? It's
standard practice to list palatals to the left of velars. Now there might be
good reasons for reversing the order in the case of a specific language, is
that the case here?

2. Is there any reason you list the voiced/voiceless pairs together? If they
contrast, the most common approach is to list on under the other (usually
voiced stops underneath the voiceless ones)

3. Does ? contrast with zero? (that is, does it the presence of a glottal
stop contrast with its absence? If not, then you don't need it on this chart
(some linguists might want it there anyway, but I'm in favor of making
things as spare as possible.

4. Does ng contrast with n ? If ng (let's use /N/ for ng here) only appears
before k or g (and an alveo-dental consonant can't appear in that position)
then there's no reason to list it on this chart. Some languages do in fact
contrast /nk/ and /Nk/ but it's not very common.



> Phonology - Vowels:
>
>           Front     Central     Back
>
> High        i                     u
>
> Middle      e                     o
>
> Low                    a
>
> Diphthongs: ai, au, eu, ia, iu, io, oi, ui

hmmm  I'm not sure what you're doing here. Are these vowel clusters or
vowels plus glides? I didn't notice any /y/ or /w/ in your chart so I'll
assume they're vowel clusters are these the only clusters permitted? What
about eo or ea? Given the overall pattern, I'd expect to see ua and ue here
as well, are they possible combinations?

> Phonotactics:
>
> Syllable structure is CV(R), where V is any vowel or diphthong, and where
R
> is a member of the set {l r m n s c}, or CVS, where S is a voiceless stop,
> followed by sV.

followed by sV ??? what is sV??? Do you mean something like  /gapsa/ or
/detsi/ or am I missing something?

> Clusters of two nasals, two fricatives, a flap or lateral following a
> nasal, and a flap following a lateral are not allowed.

I have a suspicion that all this could be phrased more naturally but I'll
let it go for now.

> The phonotactics may be amended later on to allow stop + flap and stop +
> lateral clusters.
>
>
> Root/Primitive Design Notes:
>
> - Every root/primitive will denote a concept
>
> - Every root/primitive will have a basic form denoting either a predicate
> or an argument
>
> - All perceivable objects/entities will be basic arguments
>
> - All perceivable actions/activities will be basic predicates

Perceivable by who?


> - Basic predicates will have derived arguments, and basic arguments will
> have derived predicates
>
> - The zero predicate implies equivalence between two or more arguments
>
> - All basic predicates will, by default, be in present tense, indicative
> mood, punctual aspect, active voice, and transitive.  Thus, all other
> tenses, moods, etc. will be derived.

TRust me on this, making the basic predicates intransitive when at all
possible will make your life easier.

> - All roots/primitives will have 2 syllables and end in a vowel of the set
> {a e o u}
>
> - The vowel i is the plural radical, and as such, it will not be allowed
in
> the creation of basic root/primitive forms

Why plural radical? The basic singular/plural division so common in Europe
is really boring. Here are some possible alternatives.

all roots are number neutral, to specify specific numbers or amounts
separate modifiers may be added (my suggestion)

minimal membership/expanded membership/contracted membership  - this is hard
to explain quickly, the basic idea is that the root indicates some specific
amount (minimal membership), which can be added to (expanded) or lessened
(contracted)
so that (using gik for 'ear')

minimal membership - gik (a pair of ears)
contracted membership fe gik (a single ear)
expanded membership pu gik (more than a single pair of ears)

compact - singular or more than one but acting together
diffused - more than one acting separately

Lot's of other possibilities as well.


That'll be enough from me for now (maybe too much)

-amicalment
michael farris

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