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Fwd: [WP21] Re: English is becoming the de facto common second language

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James Chandler <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:27:52 +0000

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>From: Doug EVERINGHAM <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [WP21] Re: English is becoming the de facto common second language
>Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:00:58 +0200
>
>
>****************************************************************
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>http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl/2002-11/msg00098.html
>forum rules, funcionamiento del foro, fonctionnement du forum
>http://www.alliance21.org/forums/d_read/world-parl/forum%20rules/
>sent messages, mensajes enviados, archive des messages
>http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl
>
>ENGLISH --> ESPAÑOL--> FRANÇAIS
>====================================================
>
>** Title: reply of Doug EVERINGHAM <[log in to unmask]>
><http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl/2002-12/msg00019.html>
>to Joseph BRENNAN * Re: English is becoming the de facto common second
>language *
><http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl/2003-09/msg00026.htmll> of
>11.9.03 **
>
>who wrote
>
>** << ... it is necessary to choose a constructed language ... or to
>construct
>an even better news of it. >>
>
>I don't think this is necessary. English is becoming the de facto common
>second language....**
>
>=======
>
>Doug EVERINGHAM replies:
>
>We can seek the best of both worlds. Esperanto was conceived as something
>like
>a European pidgin (its source languages are practically all European)
>Esperanto and some of its hundreds of successors still serve small
>communities
>of enthusiasts where English fails. But English, a creole born as a network
>of
>pidgins with vocabulary inputs from Celtic, Nordic, Saxon, French, Latin
>and
>other languages, has itself been further adapted as the major vocabulary
>source in bridging languages (pidgins) in all inhabited continents except
>perhaps Europe where it has perhaps been overshadowed by two German-
>based 'codes': Yiddish and "Kriegy talk" of displaced persons during and
>after
>world war 2. I hope to contact anyone willing to join me in designing a
>basic
>world pidgin draft, to be published free and perhaps continuously developed
>on
>the internet (but copyrighted against commercial exploitation).
>
>I have been encouraged by several pioneers of communication systems (C K
>Bliss, F Laubach, F Mihalic, T S Summerhayes, Z do Rock etc. ) Lancelot
>Hogben's "Essential World English" shows that such a world pidgin English
>is
>possible with a high degree of compatibility with both English and
>Esperanto,
>eliminating (as pidgins do) most of the irregularities and unhelpful quirks
>of
>each contributing language. Australian Aboriginal Kriol has demonstrated
>that
>all degrees of creolization can co-exist with an English dialect
>(Aboriginal
>English) which is in turn for most purposes compatible with 'standard'
>English
>dialects. That is, some Kriol-speakers can switch to a near-standard
>English
>when communication calls for it, and vice versa. I hope to contact anyone
>willing to join me in designing such a world pidgin, to be published free
>on
>the internet (but copyrighted against commercial exploitation). Ideally it
>would include a dictionary with equivalents for some 20,000 commonest
>English
>words. I have been encouraged by several pioneers of communication systems
>(C
>K Bliss, F Laubach, F Mihalic, T S Summerhayes, Z do Rock).
>
>-- Doug E.,
>5 Eriboll Close, Middle Park QLD 4074, Australia,
>tel 61(0)7 3376 7763, fax 61(0)7 3376 0763
>
>
>========
>ESPAÑOL
>=========
>
>** Título: respuesta de Doug EVERINGHAM <[log in to unmask]>
><http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl/2002-12/msg00019.html>
>a Joseph BRENNAN * Re: El inglés se está convirtiendo en el segundo idioma
>común de hecho *
><http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl/2003-09/msg00026.html> de
>11.9.03 **
>
>quién escribió
>
>** <<... es necesario escoger un idioma construido... o para construir un
>noticias aun buenas de él. >>
>
>Yo no pienso que esto es necesario. Inglés está volviéndose el del facto el
>segundo idioma común.... **
>
>== == == =
>
>Doug las contestaciones de EVERINGHAM:
>
>Nosotros podemos buscar el mejor de ambos mundos. Esperanto se concibió
>como
>algo como un pidgin europeo (sus idiomas orígenes son prácticamente todos
>europeo) esperanto y algunos de sus centenares de sucesores todavía sirven
>comunidades pequeñas de entusiastas dónde las faltas inglesas. Pero inglés,
>un
>creole nacido como una red de pidgins con el vocabulario entra del céltico,
>Nórdico, Saxon, francés, latín y otros idiomas, se tienen se adaptado más
>allá
>como la fuente de vocabulario mayor ponteando los idiomas (el pidgins) en
>todos los continentes habitados exceptúe Europa dónde se ha sombreado
>quizás
>por dos Alemán-basado quizás 'códigos: yídish y "Kriegy hablan" de personas
>cambiadas de sitio durante y después del mundo guerra 2. yo espero avisar a
>cualquiera para me unirá diseñando un pidgin mundiales básicos bosqueje,
>ser
>publicados gratuitamente y quizás continuamente desarrollaron en el
>internet
>(pero propiedad registrado contra la explotación comercial).
>
>Me han animado por varios pioneros de sistemas de comunicación (el C la
>Beatitud de K, F Laubach, F Mihalic, el T S Summerhayes, Z hacen a Rock
>etc.)
>el "Esencial de Lancelot Hogben el Mundo inglés" las muestras que tal un
>pidgin mundial inglés es posible con un grado alto de compatibilidad con
>ambos
>inglés y esperanto, eliminando (como el pidgins haga) la mayoría de las
>irregularidades y chifladuras del unhelpful de cada uno que contribuyen el
>idioma. Australiano que Kriol Aborigen ha demostrado que todos los grados
>de
>creolization pueden co-existir con un dialecto inglés (inglés Aborigen) qué
>es
>a su vez para la mayoría de los propósitos compatible con 'normal' los
>dialectos ingleses. Es decir, algunos Kriol-portavoces pueden cambiar a un
>inglés cerca de-normal cuando la comunicación lo requiere, y viceversa. Yo
>espero avisar a cualquiera para me unirá diseñando tal un pidgin mundial,
>para
>ser publicado gratuitamente en el internet (pero propiedad registrado
>contra
>la explotación comercial). Con suerte incluiría un diccionario con los
>equivalente para unos 20,000 commonest las palabras inglesas. Me han
>animado
>por varios pioneros de sistemas de comunicación (el C la Beatitud de K, F
>Laubach, F Mihalic, el T S Summerhayes, Z hacen a Rock).
>
>--Doug E.,
>5 Eriboll el Parque Íntimo, Medio QLD 4074, Australia,
>tel 61(0)7 3376 7763, envíe facsímil 61(0)7 3376 0763
>
>
>========
>FRANÇAIS
>=========
>
>* * Titre: réponse de Doug EVERINGHAM <[log in to unmask]>
><http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl/2002-12/msg00019.html>
>à Joseph BRENNAN * Ré: L’anglais devient la deuxième langue commune de
>facto
>*
><http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl/2003-09/msg00026.htmll> de
>11.9.03 * *
>
>qui a écrit
>
>* * <<... c'est nécessaire à choisir une langue construite... ou construire
>un
>même meilleures nouvelles de lui. >>
>
>Je ne pense pas que c'est nécessaire. Anglais devient le facto du de
>deuxième
>langue commune.... * *
>
>== == == =
>
>réponses de Doug EVERINGHAM:
>
>Nous pouvons chercher le meilleur des deux mondes. Espéranto a été conçu
>comme
>quelque chose comme un pidgin européen (ses langues de la source sont
>pratiquement toute Européenne) l'espéranto et quelques-uns de son centaines
>de
>successeurs encore servez des petites communautés d'enthousiastes où échecs
>anglais. Mais l'anglais, un creole né comme un réseau de pidgins avec
>vocabulaire entre de Celtique, nordique, saxon, français, latin et autres
>langues, l'a été adapté en outre comme la source du vocabulaire majeure
>dans
>lier des langues (pidgins) dans tout habités les continents exceptent peut-
>être Europe où il a été ombragé peut-être par deux allemand a Basé 'codes:
>yiddish et "Kriegy parlent" de personnes déplacées pendant et après guerre
>mondiale 2. j'espère que contacter quelqu'un me joigne dans concevoir un
>pidgin mondial de base rédigez, être publiés gratuitement et peut-être de
>façon continue ont développé sur l'internet (mais réservé contre
>exploitation
>commerciale).
>
>J'ai été encouragé par plusieurs pionniers de systèmes de la communication
>(C
>K Béatitude, F Laubach, F Mihalic, T S Summerhayes, le Z Balance etc.)
>le "Monde Essentiel de Lancelot Hogben qu'anglais" montre qu'un tel pidgin
>mondial anglais est possible avec un haut degré de compatibilité avec les
>deux
>anglais et l'espéranto, éliminer (comme pidgins faites) la plupart des
>irrégularités et bizarreries inutiles de chacun qui contribuent la langue.
>Australien que Kriol Aborigène a démontré que tous les degrés de
>creolization
>peuvent les co existent avec un dialecte anglais (l'anglais Aborigène)
>lequel
>est dans tour pour la plupart des buts compatible avec 'standard' le
>dialectes
>anglais. C'est, quelque Kriol-Speakers peut changer à un Anglais proche
>standard quand la communication le demande, et vice versa. J'espère
>contacter
>quelqu'un me joindra dans concevoir un tel pidgin mondial, être publié
>gratuitement sur l'internet (mais réservé contre exploitation commerciale).
>Idéalement il inclurait un dictionnaire avec les équivalents pour quelques
>20,000 commonest Anglais mots. J'ai été encouragé par plusieurs pionniers
>de
>systèmes de la communication (C K Béatitude, F Laubach, F Mihalic, T S
>Summerhayes, le Z Balance).
>
>--Doug E.,
>5 Eriboll Parc Proche, Central QLD 4074, Australie,
>tel 61(0)7 3376 7763, télécopiez 61(0)7 3376 0763
>
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