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Re: Semitic rhotic questions

From:

Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:38:51 -0800

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--- Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:36:10 +0200, Isaac Penzev
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >> 1. Does anyone know with any acceptable degree of
> >> certainty what the actual value of the Biblical
> Hebrew
> >> rhotic was?
> >
> > It is rather possible that Old Hebrew /r/ was [G]
> or [R] because it is
> > classified as guttural, and its presence in the
> stem provokes the same
> > kind of
> > phonetic changes, as, e.g. /X\/ or /?\/.
>
> Well, damn. That flies in the face of my research,
> although I trust you
> more than I trust myself on this matter. I might
> have some quite severe re-
> borrowing to do. Blast. Still, it's only a small
> handfull of roots at this
> time, so that's not too bad.
>
> Anyone else got any information to back up either
> /4/ or /G/~/R/ for
> ancient Hebrew? Steg? Dan? Anyone?
>
> Thinking about Thagojian etymology, might it be as
> wise to borrow from
> things like Punic as much as Hebrew? Adam, is the
> reference material you
> used for Punic (and other languages of the area) to
> borrow Carrajena words
> from online, or do I need to think about buying a
> book? I know I need to
> find a Coptic dictionary from somewhere already, so
> I guess other languages
> of that area might not be far behind.
>
> (Nifty side-thought) If Carrajena exists
> geographically and temporally
> where I postulate it to exist, Thagojian might even
> have to borrow a couple
> of C-a roots, too.
> Paul

Well, I've used a variety of sources.  I found a good
hanful of Punic terms in _A Glossary of Later Latin to
600 A.D._ compiled by Alexander Souter published by
Oxford ISBN 0-19-864204-0.  These are mainly some
botanical terms.

I've also used a web site --
www.let.leidenuniv.nl/vtw/jongeling/latpun/lpintro.htm

Also, I have photocopies of aleph and bet of _A
Comparative Semitic Lexicon of the Phoenician and
Punic Languages_ by Richard S. Tomback from Scholastic
Press Missoula, Montana ISBN 0-89130-126-7 or
paperback 0-89130-194-1.  I would dearly love to get
my hands on the rest of this book.

These are the sources I've come up with in about 5
years of looking.

As for the geographic location of C-a speaking lands.
Currently, Marga Carraxa extends along the North
African coast from Surt (in *here*'s Libya) westwards
to just east of Oran (in *here*'s Algeria).  As I
understand it Magrevia (Morocco) borders us in the
west, Tuaredja in the south and a small state centered
on Benghazi (Chirinecha) in the east.  Beyond that
lies Chemi (Egypt).  Temporally, the history exists
upto about 1500 AD give or take.  Where do the
Thagojians live?

Adam

=====
Fached il prori ul paņeveju djul atexindu mutu chu.
-- Carrajena proverb

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