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CONLANG November 2003, Week 1

Subject:

Re: YADPT (D=Dutch)

From:

Christophe Grandsire <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:11:44 +0100

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En réponse à Jan van Steenbergen :


>Hehe, I guess I can't help you in Zeelandish dialect matters... I'm afraid
>my knowledge remains limited to Standard Dutch (ABN) and some Westfries and
>Amstredams only.

I'll try to help too. My knowledge is limited to ABN, Brabants, and some 
Flemish though :)) .


>"meisje". And it is not a dialect word; it is the normal word for "girl".

Yep. Although it has many dialectical forms, like ['mEsk@] in Brabants :))) .


>Normally, I would say [Ej]. However, this is one of those diphthongs that
>strongly tend to differ regionally [E:, e, Aj, Oj, etc.]. I'm not sure
>about the pronunciation in Zeeland.

If Zeelands is not too far from Brabants, I'd expect it to round a bit and 
maybe go a bit lower. In Brabants the diphtongue is tortured to death :)) . 
It ends up with at least four different pronunciations depending on the 
local dialect and the environment :)) .


>At risk of getting into a renewed discussion with Christophe about this
>matter, I'd venture [v]. After <u> (especially in word-final positions,
>like "lauw", "nieuw", etc.) it is pronounced [w].

I hear quite often [v\], especially in Southern dialects.

> >Which reminds me, are both /i grek/ and /gri:k ei/ (with very rough
> >pronunciations, my apologies) names for <Y>?
>
>"Y grecque" (sp?)

If you're writing in French, it's "Y grec". Unlike in Spanish, letters are 
masculine in French :) .

>  [i'grEk] and "Griekse ij" ['xriks@ ej] are completely
>equivalent.

And different from "ij" which is called "ij" or "lange ij" (I've watched 
enough Lingo to know that :)) ).


>Dutch typewriters used to have a separate key for "ij" as one character (on
>the positions where an American keyboard has ";", i.e. under the right
>pink). However, since computers got into use, people tend to write "ij" as
>two separate letters. Especially since we usually work with American
>keyboard layouts.

Yep. Luckily, Unicode includes the IJ as a single character :) . And I'm 
personally using mostly TeX which has it also :)) .

Christophe Grandsire.
http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr
You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang. 

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