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CONLANG December 2003, Week 1

Subject:

Re: anti-Sanskritism and more

From:

Jean-François Colson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:40:22 +0100

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cowan" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: anti-Sanskritism and more


> Mark J. Reed scripsit:
>
> > ?  It's in the AHD, with an etymology indicating that it's French
> > ("diminutive of <brun>, brown"). And "brunette" has a separate entry
> > indicating that it's the feminine of "brunet".    So why do you say
> > that it's not a word in either language?
>
> Well, all I can say is that as to French, the AHD compilers must have
> nodded, or even slumbered.  The masc. of "brunette" is of course "brun".

No! The masculine of "brunette" is "brunet" and the feminine of "brun" is
"brune"!!!!!


> You can doubtless find instances of "brunet" in English as a bizarre
> spelling of "brunette", just as you can find instances of "cigaret" as
> a spelling of "cigarette".

There's no relation. "Cigarette" doesn't refer to a person and AFAIK "un
cigaret" doesn't exist in French.


>  But that does not mean that any systematic
> distinction between "brunet" and "brunette",

There's one. See http://users.skynet.be/fa597525/brunet.

> analogous to that between
> "blond" and "blonde", has ever been made, and I would greatly admire,
> as Mark Twain says, to see their evidence of it.
>
> > Interesting etymology!  But what's "Hobson-Jobson" mean?
>
> The assimilation of foreign words as if they were phonetically similar
> native ones, a process related to folk etymology.  "Hobson-Jobson" is
> the name of a 19th-century dictionary of Anglo-Indianisms, and itself an
> instance of the process, whereby the Shi'ite cry "Ya Husan! Ya Husain!",
> lamenting the deaths of Muhammad's grandsons, became successively Hosseen
> Gosseen, Hassan Hassan, and Hobson Jobson in English.
>
> A more familiar example is _so long_ 'farewell' < Malay _salang_ <
> Arabic _salaam_.
>
>
> --
> John Cowan  [log in to unmask]  www.ccil.org/~cowan
www.reutershealth.com
> "The competent programmer is fully aware of the strictly limited size of
his own
> skull; therefore he approaches the programming task in full humility, and
among
> other things he avoids clever tricks like the plague."  --Edsger Dijkstra
>

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