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AUXLANG  January 2004, Week 4

AUXLANG January 2004, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Me demandas lingua korektigo de la texto "Etiko ed estetiko en Polo Gogeno".

From:

Santiago Dejé <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:56:42 +0100

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Kordiala saluti.
*     I seem to understand from your posting on this
list, that the principal advantage of Interlingua is
is its at sight recognizability.
Ease and speed of learning for adults, this is most
important in my opinion. Several auxlangs have
relatively simple grammar, but only the
 "naturalistic" "at-sight" languages can solve the
vocabulary problem. So the list of candidates meeting
these criteria is only:
 Occidental, Novial, Ido, Interlingua, Sermo.
 Of these, I tried Ido last, and only Ido worked for
me.  I believe it is the easiest, therefore the best.

*         Ido vocabulary and syntax are systematic
combination from Russian, French, Spanish, English,
German, and many other.

*        Europanto, Lingua Franca Nova, Occidental,
Interlingua, and others have all done similar but in
different way and with different result. They all work
and have strengths. But none have the best result.
Esperanto has strong systematic word-building
capability. But Ido has much more naturalistic roots
and syntax and is best compromise.

*       Tino is easy as you can sumise by the
experience of my friend who learn it in two days.
However, I learned to read Ido just by reading the
pages available on the web, thanks to James Chandler.
The real key to understand Ido is to realize that it
is not an artificial language invented by one man;
rather it is a discovered one, a codification much
like that of Gode Interlingua ... but easier. As a
awxlanger myself, I look at Ido and see a work of art.
I can even read more French now as a result, much
better than before.

*         Why on earth people feel they must attack
auxlangs, I don't know. It is beyond me. They are
igonrant scum. And I will tell them.

prescrito, casa de la nueva bahaso por el lunes



--- pracrito <[log in to unmask]> escribió: >
Kordiala saluti.
>     Me demandas lingua korektigo de ica texto (mea
> unesma originala texto en Ido). Danko!
>     Amike, da Alexandro Xaviero Kasanovo Domingo.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>     Etiko ed estetiko en Polo Gogeno (Paul Gauguin).
>
>     En ica verko, me uzos kom principala fonto pri
> Polo Gogeno la libro "Gauguin. O cadro é unha
> superficie cuberta de cor.", titulo (e libro) en la
> Galisa linguo; la originala autorulo (en  la Itala)
> esas Gabrielo Krepaldio (Gabriele Crepaldi); la
> tradukistino de la Itala a la Galisa esas Susano
> Triyo (Susana Trillo). Kande me citos texto en la
> Galisa, me quik tradukos, kam ja la titulo: "Gogeno.
> La kadro esas surfaco kovrata kun koloro.". La
> editerio esas "Nova Galisia Edituri" (Nova Galicia
> Edicións), urbo Vigo, en Galisia, yaro
> duamil-e-triesma (2003).
>     Polulo Gogeno esas viro. La fonetika
> trans-skribo quon me uzos esos "Polo Gogeno", tre
> proxima a la reala pronunco de la originala formo
> Franca, "Paul Gauguin".
>     Kande aparos geografiala o personala nomi en
> stranjera lingui, me uzos sempre trans-skribi, kun
> indiko, inter parentezi, de la originala ortografio
> kande la stranjera nomo aparos unesmafoye.
>     Kelka informaji biografiala: Polo Gogeno naskis
> en Parizo, Francia, ye la yaro
> mil-e-okacent-e-quaradek-e-okesma (1848); ilu mortis
> ye la yaro mil-e-nonacent-e-triesma (1903), en la
> vilajo Atuana, de la arkipelago Markesas
> (Marquesas), en la franca Polinezia. Ilu havis,
> adminime, non (9) konocata filii, du (2) legala
> spozini e sep (7) konocata amatini, plus
> prostitucini (qui kontagiis ad ilu la sifiliso) e
> flirtunini. Ilu maladesis pro malario, alkoholismo e
> sifiliso. Polo Gogeno esis ed esas un ek la plu bona
> piktisti de la mondo; ilu esis anke komerca
> gichetisto, notinda skribisto, notinda jurnalisto e
> notinda skultisto. Polo Gogeno parolis, adminime, la
> lingui Hispana, Franca e Tahita.
>     Kad esas aceptebla  la relato inter etiko ed
> estetiko en Polo Gogeno? Yen la temo de ica verko.
>     La moralisti kustumas klasifikar la konduto de
> la homi kom "bona" o "mala". Ka ca klasifiko esas
> objektiva o nur absurda simpligo ?
>     Polo Gogeno amis ed embarasis puerini tre yuna,
> preske infantini (inkluzante dek e tri yari evanta
> infantino), ta konduto hodie esus konsiderata kom
> granda krimino. Ma eli amis ilu, e la amo ne
> originesas sub la legi da la homi; anke, la legala
> konsidero pri la permesata evo por sexuagar varias
> kontinue. La konduto konsiderata kom sexuala krimino
> en kelka loko, esas permesata sexuala konduto
> (inkluzive rekomendata od obligata) en altra loki od
> epoki.
>     Gogeno ne esis extreme povra, ma dum la
> majoritato de sua vivo ilu sufris pekuniala indiji;
> ilu ne povis facile alimentar sua [familii] (quin
> ilu abandonis freque). Kontraste, hodie un, nur un,
> ek ilua pikturi povas kustar dek milion (10.000.000)
> euri.
>     La sexuala, ekonomiala, etikala ed estetikala
> konduto da Gogeno esis, lore, bona por kelki e mala
> por altri, kun konsequi ne-konocita, ne-konocata e
> ne-konocota.
>     Kontre la simplismo de la moralisti, me dicas ke
> la konduto da Gogeno ne povas judiciesar o judikesar
> kom "bona" o "mala". Nur ilua baza intencon onu
> darfas judikesar. E, segun me, olu esis bona
> konduto, nam olu intencis montrar la beleso e la
> boneso a ni.
>     Ni pensez pri la Franca o Hispana imperialismo.
> Pro ica imperialismo, Gogeno (qua probable esus
> decendanto de la nobeleso kechua inka) povis turar e
> voyajar a Peru, Panama, e specale a la tropikala
> insuli de la Franca imperio qui tre delektis ilu
> (Martinika, Tahitia, Markesas). Sen cad
> imperialismo, ni probable ne havus la pikturi da
> Gogeno. Ka la imperialismo esas bona o mala?
>     Evidente, olu esas mala, nam olu intencas furtar
> e tiranar. Ma ico ne impedas rekonocar kelka efekti
> bona de la imperialismo. Me adoptas teorie (kam
> estetikisto) e praktike (kam piktisto) multa idei da
> Polo Gogeno; baze me adoptas la tranquila neteso de
> la formi, la kolori e la konduti. Segun mea
> opiniono, onu ne povas separar la etiko de la
> estetiko, nam la etiko esas la intima estetiko; la
> boneso esas la beleso de la spirito.
>     Ni videz ica aspekti en pikturo da Gogeno. La
> pikturo titulesas en la Tahita, kam ilu faras
> freque. La titulo esas "Ea haere ia oe?", to esas,
> "Ube tu iras?", ye la yaro
> mil-e-okacent-e-nonadek-e-triesma (1893); olu aparas
> en la okadek-e-sisesma (86) pagino de la citata
> libro.
>     Se eventas nula eroro, onu vidus la pikturo sub
> ica lineo.
>
>
>
>
>
>     La pikturo reprezentas du sidata puerini qui
> regardas altra puerino e questionas ad elu "Ube tu
> iras?". La triesma puerino marchas kun sua mami nuda
> e portas granda frukto en sua mani, plus floro en
> sua haro . Domo (hemo) e bosko formas la fundo de la
> ceno, kun kolori viva e klara.
>     Me opinionas ke la perfekta komenton pri ica
> kadro skribis la autoro de la citata libro en la
> sama pagino: "O título suxire un diálogo silencioso
> entre as protagonistas e subliña unha situación
> normal e cotiá, que para Gauguin representa un
> modelo de vida primitiva e feliz.". Traduko de la
> komento: "La titulo sugestas silencoza dialogo inter
> la protagonistini ed emfazas normala ed omnadia
> situeso, olqua por Gogeno reprezentas modelo de
> primitiva e felica vivo."
>     Ma, ka ni povas ankore komprenar ke la feliceso
> originesas simple en la klara percepto de la omnadia
> vivo? Se yes, ni esas tam saji kam Gogeno kande ilu
> piktis ica kadro.
>     Ni komparez kun la Sweda skribistulo de
> teatro-verki Augusto Strindbergo (August
> Strindberg), qua ye la yaro
> mil-e-okacent-e-nonadek-e-kinesma (1895); deklaris,
> en la okadek-e-sepesma (87) pagino de la citata
> libro: "Creou vostede unha nova terra e un novo ceo,
> pero eu non me encontro no centro da súa creación: é
> demasiado soleada para min, que amo o claroscuro. E
> no seu paraíso habita unha Eva que non é o meu
> ideal.". Traduko de la deklaro: "Tu kreis nova tero
> e nova cielo, ma me ne trovesas en la centro de tua
> kreeuro: olu esas tro sunoza por me, qua amas la
> klarobskureso. Ed en tua paradizo habitas ula Eva
> qua ne esas mea idealo.".
>     Augusto Strindbergo konfuzis la klarobskureso
> (quon perfekte montris Gogeno) kun la ambigueso; e,
> nature, Gogeno ne amis nek praktikis la ambigueso.
> Ula pikturo, same kam la vivo, povas (inkluzive
> devas, okazione) esar klarobskura, ma kadro o vivo
> ambigua (konfuziga) ne havas valoro. Bona pikturo e
> bona vivo signifikas. Bona pikturo e bona vivo povas
> havar multa signifiki, ma la plur-senceso ne esas
> ambigueso. Onu kalkulas por piktar, por vivar; ma
> kalkuloza pikturo esas pikturacho e kalkuloza vivo
> esas mivivo, disipata e reziduata borgeza vivo.
>     Polo Gogeno ne esas kalkuloza ed ambigua
> borgezo, ma mastro de la piktado, piktisto de la
> virginala naturo (la naturo esas naturino, eterna
> femino) e de sua anmo. Ilu esas klara e preciza; do,
> simpla e naturala, sunoza ed anke lunoza.
>     Ne per la diskutado, ma per la piktado, onu
> komprenas ed onu realigas la beleso.
>     Polo Gogeno vivas e vivos. La morto esas ceno de
> un pikturo, ma la bona piktisto piktas ca kadro (sua
> propra kadro) e duras piktante; Polo Gogeno duras
> piktante sua kadri. Ilu ne esas sola!
>     Da Alexandro Xaviero Kasanovo Domingo.
>
>

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