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CONLANG  January 2004, Week 5

CONLANG January 2004, Week 5

Subject:

Re: CHAT: XS vs. Kirshenbaum vs. Who-knows-what

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:43:18 -0500

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Adrian wrote:
> Working Title: "FITS - Frivolous IPA Transcription Scheme"

I find this quite well organized, logical, and probably neater looking than
XS, but one would want to see lots of it in use for a final judgment.

A couple minor carps (consonants):
--It will take a long time to get used to ~ as a symbol for palatal, rather
than nasal....
--the abandonment of some cases of IPA=Roman, such as c j, and IMO worst of
all x X =  your lateral fric. Though I can't offer an alternative.
Incidentally I don't see anything for voiceless l (unless that's your "x"?),
or other such possibilities-- would you have to use the voiceless diacritic
"l\f", similarly r\f , m\f , a\f etc.??
--You're presumably following IPA, but why have a separate symbol for
velarized L (#) rather than using your "velarized" diacritic [l\K]
--Most major carp:   please please please introduce ' for primary, " for
secondary stress.  One tick, primary; two ticks secondary-- get it?? isn't
that logical???? :-))))

On the vowels, a minor question:  if R is the vowel of "heard", what about
r-less speech???  If I recall my IPA, [3] is lower-mid, about at the same
level as [E],  just a bit retracted however, but not exactly central either
(hence the use of epsilon for E, reversed eps. for 3, [and "3" thus makes
sense, though I know you want to avoid using numbers]).
 There are 1 or 2 missing vowels, IPA "reversed e" for one, it seems a rare
sound and personally I have no idea what it is, and have trouble with it in
the online sound samples --no loss, AFAIC. You could probably handle it with
"e\>" ?; and perhaps 3 could also be E> ??? in line with i> and I>.

I take it % represents V??? Where then is 6 (IPA inverted a), a low vowel??
What is "(      A)" supposed to mean?  What would be its rounded
counterpart, XS Q?? Low [&] also has a rounded counterpart, admittedly rare,
but not indicated in your chart.  Perhaps you need a "rounded" diacritic???

A final minor carp:  why not retain = for "syllabic"??

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