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CONLANG  February 2004, Week 3

CONLANG February 2004, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Too long words

From:

Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:17:30 -0500

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Sorry, I must make clear some things because I didn't pay that much
attention to what I wrote. Here we go:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:13:18 -0500, Carsten Becker @ school

(actually, I didn't write that in school, it's just the stupid browser
which inserted that into the from: field automatically for some reason.

<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:09:04 -0800, Philippe Caquant <[log in to unmask]>
>wrote:
>
>>Use a compression algorithm to make them shorter.
>>
>>For instance, suppose that, in a corpus written in
>>your language, you often find the sequence *layaconi*
>>(whatever it might mean), then lexicalize it under the
>>form *n'gwa* - admitting that you hadn't such forms
>>yet.
>>
>>So, instead of *layaconiyäinang*, you will have
>>*n'gwayäinang*, which sounds already much more cute.
>>
>>The only criterion for compressing or not a sequence
>>would be the optimalizing of the text length. The
>>longer and the more frequent the sequence, the
>>faster you should lexicalize it. This can all be done
>>automatically.
>>
>>(Don't forget to keep a track for the correspondences
>>in a lexicon).
>
>That is unfortunately not possible. On the ZBB, Ghost has done this with
>Jauequammys or how it was named, one combination that appears frequently is
>e.g. c"el. I said reduction is not possible because due to its

(its = my conlang, Ayeri)

>agglutinativeness, there are most of the time two-syllabic root words which
>receive pre- and affixes to get the meaning.

(of course the desired meaning, and it should have been "to archieve",
not "to get")

>No conjungation or declension.
>E.g. the breakdown for "Mecoyain Layayá:ngaris" is (as has been said, word
>order is not important, but the word containing the trigger appears
>*usually* at the beginning, but does not have to.):
>
>Layayá:ngaris mecoyain.
>[%laja"ja:Ngaris me%kojain] (pronounciation following X-SAMPA)
>
>   laya   -(i)ya   -ang     -aris     me-     coya     -in.
>[ to read   3sg)    AGT]      PAT     a.PAT    book     TRG
>
>
>And for Eddy Ohlms: As ZBB user for about a year, I know you're very much
>interested in Algonquian languages. I didn't make it to read that one
>thread where you and JBurke were discussing about incorporation until end
>(you know, the thread with about 60 pages...). Oh yes, compared to such
>languages, my words are very, very short indeed.
>
>Carsten

That's it.

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