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CONLANG  February 2004, Week 3

CONLANG February 2004, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Con-Romance &/a (was: laterals (was: Pharingials, /l/ vs. /r/ in Southeast Asia)

From:

Isaac Penzev <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:24:16 +0200

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Roger Mills eskribiw:

<<And as I understand it, -s loss also creates open varieties of /e,
o/ > [E,
O].  It stems of course from the common  change of -s > -h (> 0).  I
wonder-- does the Andalusian change only affect -s# {plural}? It
seems to be
a relatively recent (within the past 50 years?) development, AFAIK.
What
about -sC- within a word--- "basta" for ex.?? >>

That seems rather irrelevant for my purposes.

<<(Replying to Tristan)>>
No, that was still me, Yitzik.

<<This might be a bit of a stretch-- and I don't know your GMP for
Rumean-->>

Well, I still have certain doubts, but in general the plan needs to
combine two different phonetic systems in one blend: Arabic and
(Old) Spanish. So, the main idea is to map mutually 6 Arabic vowels
/a/, /a:/, /i/, /i:/, /u/ and /u:/ and 5 Old Spanish /a/, /e/, /i/,
/o/, /u/. It seems the only reasonable thing to split Sp. /a/ into
/&/ and /A/ that would correspond to Ar. /a/ and /a:/. I'd like also
to preserve [i] and [u] for Ar. /i/ and /u/ in stressed closed
syllables: _fikro_ (not _*fekro_ < Ar. _fikrun_ as in Farsi _fekr_)
'idea', _lutfo_ (< Ar. _lut.fun_, cf. Fa. _lotf_) 'mercy'. In other
places /i/ > [e], /u/ > [o]: _mokálema_ (< Ar. _muka:limatun_, cf.
Fa. _mokâleme_) 'interview (collocution)'. Is it realistic?

I'd like also to decide what to do with /T/ and /D/. I know there is
[T] in MnSpanish, but it appeared there only in 16th. century from
[ts] and [dz]. Shall I borrow words with Ar. /T/ pronounced as [T],
[t], [s] or [ts]? Ar. _Taqi:l_ 'heavy' > _thakílo_, _takílo_,
_sakílo_ or _tzakílo_ (where _a_ stands for [&]). I know I'll
reflect emphatic /s./ as [ts] (that happens in MnHebrew): _tzadíko_
'faithful' < Ar. _s.adi:q_, so [ts] for /T/ doesn't sound good.

<<in some Indonesian languages, final /t, n/ tend to front preceding
vowels>>

That's even more irrelevant.

-- Yitzik

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